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The 2011 Robert Clark unusual transport awards

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robertclark125

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Thought I'd get it off my chest, and announce the winners in each category for the inaugural awards, and see what you think.

Most ludicrous transport planning decision by a local authority - Edinburgh City Council

They win it on two counts. Firstly, the tram debacle, which in 2011 say them decide to curtail it at Haymarket, only for them to then change their mind. Also, last weeks stupid decision to refuse planning permission for the Hovercraft terminal, which would've seen their own bus firm, Lothian Buses, run shuttle buses into the city centre.

Most poorly updated website by a bus company owned by a group - Preston Bus

The rotala subsidiary hasn't updated its website for some time, and all the timetables are still in Stagecoach style. Rotala are supposed to be independent of Stagecoach.....

Dafest reason for not issuing timetables - Preston Bus

Double winner here, but only for the ludicrous reason it gave three friends of mine from Edinburgh for not having a timetable in stock, or even one to view. They were in Lancashire at a rally, and wanted to visit deepdale, home of Preston North End FC. When they couldn't find a timetable, they asked the office why, only to be told they couldn't give the timetable out as folk may take them away. Why then do Argos leave piles of catalogues outside their stores?

Most unneccessary bus design - The Borismaster

Mayor Boris Johnson wants an iconic London Bus. Fine, but the last two iconic London Buses, the Leyland Titan and the Routemaster, didn't sell terribly well outside London. And it seems others see sense and are sticking with manufacturers designs rather than their own.

Most unneccessary person in public transport - Boris Johnson

Too many reasons to list here.

Best effort at improving a service - Stagecoach Fife route 99 group.

Launched as a rival to a Moffat and Williamson service in 1992, the service continued after Moffats withdrew, and has gone from a 60 minute frequency, to 30 minutes, 20 minutes, then in 2006, with route development grant, a 15 minute frequency. In Spring 2011, the sunday service was increased from a 30 minute to a 20 minute frequency.

Now why didn't we think of that award - Firstgroup

One reason. Their idea that people can pay for tickets on the bus with a debit card, as opposed to a card that needs topped up at a shop. Much easier!

The we shouldn't be here award - Veolia

They started running down their british operations, then bought Transdev, and then run their welsh operations down, then decided to dispose of their transport interests.

The what's the point award - Competition commission.

Their investigation into the British bus market, and the lack of competition excluded London and Northern Ireland, making it flawed. It then came up with very little, apart from multi operator tickets schemes, whilst allowing operators to sell their own tickets. Nothing new there then.

Lastly, the wanting a level playing field, but level meaning tilted in their direction award - The Big Lemon.

Tom Druitt complained to the office of fiar trading after Brighton and Hove bus and coach, on their route 25, lowered their fares to match his. He then complained to the OFT saying this was unfair. Well, a level playing field means everyone has equal right to compete, which is what's happening here. Tom wants it so if he runs a route, B&H have to charge more than him. Not level is it?

Congratulations (if required) to all the winners
 
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O...K...! :lol:

Most poorly updated website by a bus company owned by a group - Preston Bus

The rotala subsidiary hasn't updated its website for some time, and all the timetables are still in Stagecoach style. Rotala are supposed to be independent of Stagecoach.....

Dafest reason for not issuing timetables - Preston Bus

Double winner here, but only for the ludicrous reason it gave three friends of mine from Edinburgh for not having a timetable in stock, or even one to view. They were in Lancashire at a rally, and wanted to visit deepdale, home of Preston North End FC. When they couldn't find a timetable, they asked the office why, only to be told they couldn't give the timetable out as folk may take them away. Why then do Argos leave piles of catalogues outside their stores?

Rotala are useless. End of.

Lastly, the wanting a level playing field, but level meaning tilted in their direction award - The Big Lemon.

Tom Druitt complained to the office of fiar trading after Brighton and Hove bus and coach, on their route 25, lowered their fares to match his. He then complained to the OFT saying this was unfair. Well, a level playing field means everyone has equal right to compete, which is what's happening here. Tom wants it so if he runs a route, B&H have to charge more than him. Not level is it?

Oh yes. I remember this. Ridiculous.

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Speaking of awards, when are the annual RUK Awards starting?
 

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Now why didn't we think of that award - Firstgroup

One reason. Their idea that people can pay for tickets on the bus with a debit card, as opposed to a card that needs topped up at a shop. Much easier!

Hate to break it to you, but you've been able to pay by card on Stagecoach Merseyside since 2010....
 

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Mayor Boris Johnson wants an iconic London Bus. Fine, but the last two iconic London Buses, the Leyland Titan and the Routemaster, didn't sell terribly well outside London.

The Leyland Titan? Are you sure?

Oh THAT Leyland Titan - thought you meant the front engined ones from my youth!
 
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Hate to break it to you, but you've been able to pay by card on Stagecoach Merseyside since 2010....



think he may be meaning conventional cards where as Stagecoach's system only takes the new contactless type????

Overall agree with Roberts winners there.

One addition though, the most unusual terminating point for a service
the winner being megabus's new Rugby, Birmingham, Edinburgh which unlike every other MB Service doesnt use the bus station but instead, St Andrews Square. Why?
 

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Thought I'd get it off my chest, and announce the winners in each category for the inaugural awards, and see what you think.
Mayor Boris Johnson wants an iconic London Bus. Fine, but the last two iconic London Buses, the Leyland Titan and the Routemaster, didn't sell terribly well outside London. And it seems others see sense and are sticking with manufacturers designs rather than their own.

Was the Titan designed as a purpose-designed London bus? Wasn't it what Leyland hoped would be the successor to the Atlantean, but only LT (or whatever it was called then) could afford to buy them, so they designed the Olympian as a cheaper alternative? In any event, it was a jolly fine bus.
 

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Best effort at improving a service - Stagecoach Fife route 99 group.

Launched as a rival to a Moffat and Williamson service in 1992, the service continued after Moffats withdrew, and has gone from a 60 minute frequency, to 30 minutes, 20 minutes, then in 2006, with route development grant, a 15 minute frequency. In Spring 2011, the sunday service was increased from a 30 minute to a 20 minute frequency

Its history is a little more complicated than that (the service via Pickletullum has been the X59, X60, 95, 96 and X96 at various times) - the 99 itself doesn't stretch back anything like as far as 1999.

Its an interesting example of how a bus route shows how the relationship between places change. In 1992 there was demand for people in St Andrews to have a fast service to the jobs/shops of Dundee (avoiding the detour via Tayport). Nowadays, with increasing numbers of St Andrews University students (meaning house prices pushed up as Students move into "suburbia"...) a lot of jobs in St Andrews are done by people living in Dundee (as they can't afford to live in St A).

It should also be pointed out that the 99 has eliminated the need for any St Andrews "Town Service" from Stagecoach (excluding the Student service 92, the only "local" route in the town is the M&W 9).
 
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