No, but the thread is about Thameslink Service/Timetable from May 20th 2018, not coffee shops. However, there isn't a box, nor anything else that is in front of half of the seats in class 700s. There is a rib (which is part of the stiffening of the body) on the all the seats. On the standard class seats, this rib does not go anywhere near half of the seat width.
I'm with you on that. I find a firm seat is more comfortable than a soggy seat with no effective support resulting in a poor posture, - and subsequent discomfort. It's encouraging that seats on new trains are designed with correct posture for the majority. The soggy padded seat with an illusion of comfort looks like being a thing of the past.We're a rare breed, I admit, but there are those of us out there who actually prefer a harder seat and find the 700s seats more comfortable than the (way too cushiony) 319s...
Probably choose to stand but would hunt out other seats first.
We're a rare breed, I admit, but there are those of us out there who actually prefer a harder seat and find the 700s seats more comfortable than the (way too cushiony) 319s...
Still a significant drop in the Orr survey on seat comfort. As many have said - they are probably the least comfortable seats in the UK. But they are not going to change them no matter how much we complain.
We're a rare breed, I admit, but there are those of us out there who actually prefer a harder seat and find the 700s seats more comfortable than the (way too cushiony) 319s...
He's referring to the legroom intrusion which, to be fair, is about half the seat width on a window seat. Nothing to do with the seats per se, a design flaw of the Desiro City in general really.
As a unit, yes. As a whole train formation, I believe no? Applying the typical MTIN figure for the 700 considering you'd need two or three traditional units to equate renders them unexemplary, but better than the worst performing old stock.
Does anybody have the MTIN figures for classes of trains in use by FCC/Southern back before TL started getting new Electrostars to top up capacity before the new trains (which we now know as 700s) arrived.
Yes, I referred to that in my post. I would question whether it is actually about half of the seat width.
I meant both because I was wondering if the 'lowest reliability' mentioned by some here may be connected with their role of several power changeovers per diagram and the extreme gradients climbed in the core, (both of which might have contributed to class 319 reliability issues).
That picture makes the rib look about one quarter of the seat width (maybe 80mm/400mm) so legroom wouldn't be halved.
Again though, I'm talking about all the legroom intrusion so not just the rib but the ventilation duct too.
But that is purely because they are on minimum maintenance because they may get replaced one day. (They should all be at the great scrap yard in the sky by now if the 717 was introduced as planned.) They are not bad units when they are maintened as we all know. (The ones on Southern work just fine) Yes they will not go on forever. I am sure the MTIN for the fleet is still better than the 700s.
It is indeed, but my understanding of the MTIN score is that it's attributed / divided up per unit. Thus, if a 12-car train is formed of three units of a class with 12000 MTIN, it should still be twice as likely to encounter a TIN as a 12-car fixed formation unit with 8000 MTIN. I imagine failures are still more common than the previous stock because 319s were only ever 8-car formation and the Electrostar MTIN figures were considerably higher. Nonetheless, the figure is slowly but surely rising, so I don't think it'll be too long before it's at parity with the 377/387 scores from before.
