ThamesLink Programme track layouts

[Class377/5]

I've been doing some track layouts for the TLP stuff and thought you guys might be interested to see.

London Bridge West


London Bridge West by Sparkyscrum, on Flickr

I've yet to do the east side but do have the fly over done.


Bermondsey Fly Over by Sparkyscrum, on Flickr

 

[kjhskj75]

Official (??) versions at

http://www.networkrail.co.uk/browse...projects procedure notice - london bridge.pdf

 

[Class377/5]

Official (??) versions at

http://www.networkrail.co.uk/browse...projects procedure notice - london bridge.pdf

They are the official versions yet but low quality images that aren't always as easy to read. However mine will be expanded far greater than what's in that document.

 

[Chrisgr31]

There are intial works going on around the back of the Millwall stadium. Is there any information on what the timetable is, what the current track layout is, what it will be when the works are finished etc in the public domain which will be understandable to the interested commuter who passes by on the train daily and wants to know what is happening outside the window?

 

[Bald Rick]

There is some stuff on the NR website, but not much.

First major stage at London Bridge is late May, and it is finished in June 2018.

There will be more soon. Watch this space.

 

[ert47]

A couple of links here;

Some info about the layouts of the junction and what they're going to do with it; The Thameslink Programme, illustrated J.ust note that the post is nearly 6 years old (!!) so I am not too sure about how accurate the info is.

I find the best site to keep up to date with the construction of Thameslink is London Reconnections and the Thameslink Programme website.

Hope this helps!

 

[Class377/5]

TLP_Bermondsey-Dive-Under-Colour by Sparkyscrum, on Flickr

 

[Chrisgr31]

Thank you for the links etc. Plenty of reading to be done!

 

[Ploughman]

I've been doing some track layouts for the TLP stuff and thought you guys might be interested to see.

London Bridge West


London Bridge West by Sparkyscrum, on Flickr

I've yet to do the east side but do have the fly over done.


Bermondsey Fly Over by Sparkyscrum, on Flickr

Any reason why the Up / Down Sussex Fasts are in the opposite direction to the other lines?

 

[zoneking]

So will Southern ever be able to re-instate services to Charing Cross? Currently, 8 & 9 are Southern platforms.

 

[jopsuk]

The new 8&9 are high-level platforms. They're needed for SouthEastern services to Charing Cross, because of the increased frequency of Thameslink services, which will include some services currently run into London bridge by Southern. This, plus the SLL going to the ELL, means there's less services that need to use the low level at london Bridge.

So no, Southern won't go back to Charing Cross, not under the current plans.

 

[swt_passenger]

So will Southern ever be able to re-instate services to Charing Cross? Currently, 8 & 9 are Southern platforms.

Not intended ever again in the normal timetable. SN reduce to six terminating platforms for good at this May's timetable change, when the peak SN service into London Bridge reduces from the current 27 to 24 tph. (It was 29 tph before the SLL service transferred to LO.)

That also appears to be a temporary 24 tph max, because as far as various RUS documents are concerned the post Thameslink frequency into the bays will only be 20 tph.

(Numbers always subject to change, but that's how the current stage is described by NR in the planning applications.)

 

[zoneking]

Ok, thanks. Perhaps the new Thameslink service will call at additional "Southern" stations, (not just BML) but they still won't go to CX.

 

[jopsuk]

The Caterham and Tattenham Corner to London Bridge services (each 2tph off peak) (as well as others) will be transfering to Thameslink services through the core.

 

[87015]

when the peak SN service into London Bridge reduces from the current 27 to 24 tph. (It was 29 tph before the SLL service transferred to LO.)

The SLL service did not result in a net reduction of trains into London Bridge - despite the claims that was the reason to get rid - as there are additional 2tph for extended peak periods to Selhurst via Peckham Rye which have replaced the SLL paths.

 

[swt_passenger]

The SLL service did not result in a net reduction of trains into London Bridge - despite the claims that was the reason to get rid - as there are additional 2tph for extended peak periods to Selhurst via Peckham Rye which have replaced the SLL paths.

That's exactly why I included the caveat about numbers possibly changing. My figures were lifted from a document made available last summer, but dated 2011, which has presumably been superseded only recently. But it doesn't really alter the basic point about there being some reductions to reflect the lower capacity from May.

 

[Class377/5]

The Caterham and Tattenham Corner to London Bridge services (each 2tph off peak) (as well as others) will be transfering to Thameslink services through the core.

Don't be so sure. Its still to far out to say they will.

 

[Bald Rick]

The SLL service did not result in a net reduction of trains into London Bridge - despite the claims that was the reason to get rid - as there are additional 2tph for extended peak periods to Selhurst via Peckham Rye which have replaced the SLL paths.

Now I don't know about particular services, but I do know that before last December there were 29 arrivals into London Bridge LL in the SX high peak hour 0800-0900.

Since December, with removal of the 2 SLL services there are 27 arrivals in that hour.

From 28 May, with removal of the 0725? ex Tonbridge (diverted to Victoria), there will be 26 arrivals into 6 platforms in that hour. And this is the most London Bridge LL will have to deal with in an hour.

 

[swt_passenger]

I see today's edition of Modern Railways has attempted to explain the track layout changes through London Bridge, but as far as I can work out they've missed out a key route on the 'Southern' side, namely the 'Down Sussex Slow' which ought to provide a non-conflicting route from the terminal platforms for 'Southern' services to pass under the Thameslink route when heading towards New Cross Gate?

All previous layout's I've seen (including all those provided on page one of this thread) have this route alongside the Charing Cross lines, passing under the Thameslink route (the latter lines being designated the Up and Down Sussex Fasts respectively)...

I'm assuming it's just a drawing error in the magazine, as they couldn't operate with this link removed from the real layout?

 

[Bald Rick]

I see today's edition of Modern Railways has attempted to explain the track layout changes through London Bridge, but as far as I can work out they've missed out a key route on the 'Southern' side, namely the 'Down Sussex Slow' which ought to provide a non-conflicting route from the terminal platforms for 'Southern' services to pass under the Thameslink route when heading towards New Cross Gate?

All previous layout's I've seen (including all those provided on page one of this thread) have this route alongside the Charing Cross lines, passing under the Thameslink route (the latter lines being designated the Up and Down Sussex Fasts respectively)...

I'm assuming it's just a drawing error in the magazine, as they couldn't operate with this link removed from the real layout?

Error in the magazine. Could easily have been prevented if MR had asked NR for the diagrams, or even let on that they were doing the article :roll: