Thameslink/ Class 700 Progress

[Class377/5]

Been reported elsewhere that Sunday is the last day of 387s on TL, that must mean more 700 Diagrams are coming surely?

Indeed they are and here they are. I won't be posting 12 car diagrams after this for awhile as they are pretty settled unless something changes.

13x RLU & 11x FLU

TB401
5W78 03+38 Three Bridge Depot to Three Bridges
1W78 03.46 Three Bridges to Bedford
1V83 06.14 Bedford to Sutton via Wimbledon
2V12 08.08 Sutton to St Albans via Mitcham
5K37 09+31 St Albans to St Albans via Center Siding
2O37 09.44 St Albans to Sutton via Mitcham Junction
2O38 11.07 Sutton to Luton via Wimbledon
2V67 13.14 Luton to Sutton via Wimbledon
2V68 15.08 Sutton to St Albans via Mitcham
5K93 16+29 St Albans to St Albans via Center Siding
2O93 16.44 St Albans to Sutton via Mitcham
2O94 18.11 Sutton to Luton via Wimbledon
2V41 20.20 Luton to Sutton via Wimbledon
5O48 22+12 Sutton to Streatham via Mitcham
5O48 22+31 Streatham to Sutton via Mitcham
2O48 22.47 Sutton to St Bedford via Wimbledon
5G48 01+10 Bedford to Bedford CS

TB402
5W01 05+20 Down Yard to Brighton
1W04 05.44 Brighton to Bedford
1W17 08.40 Bedford to Brighton
1W28 11.35 Brighton to Bedford
2W45 14.24 Bedford to Three Bridges
2W52 17.05 Three Bridges to Bedford
1W61 19.40 Bedford to Brighton
5W62 22+22 Brighton to Three Bridges Depot

TB403
5W86 02+04 Three Bridges Depot to Three Bridges
2W86 02.16 Three Bridges to Bedford
5G86 03.31 Bedford to Bedford CS
5G87 06+20 Bedford CS to Bedford
1H87 06.34 Bedford to Beckenham Junction
1G63 08.02 Beckenham Junction to Bedford
2W27 09.54 Bedford to Three Bridges
2W36 12.29 Three Bridges to Bedford
1W43 15.10 Bedford to Brighton
1W54 18.05 Brighton to Bedford
1W67 21.10 Bedford to Brighton
2W82 00.10 Brighton to Bedford
5G82 03+12 Bedford to Bedford CS

TB404
5G85 00+28 Bedford CS to Bedford
2W85 00.40 Bedford to Three Bridges
2W88 03.16 Three Bridges to Bedford
1O09 05.48 Bedford to Sutton via Mitcham
1O10 07.40 Sutton to Bedford via Wimbledon
5G29 09+52 Bedford to Bedford via North End Siding
2W29 10.24 Bedford to Three Bridges
2W38 12.59 Three Bridges to Bedford
1H66 15.40 Bedford to Beckenham Junction
1G79 17.30 Beckenham Junction to Bedford
5G79 19+10 Bedford to Bedford CS via North End Siding
5G83 23+24 Bedford CS to Bedford
2W83 23.40 Bedford to Three Bridges
5W83 02+10 Three Bridges to Three Bridges Depot

TB405
5G77 02+08 Bedford CS to Bedford
1W77 02.20 Bedford to Three Bridges
2W92 04.50 Three Bridge to Bedford
1E64 07.16 Bedford to Sevenoaks
2E75 09.42 Sevenoaks to Kentish Town
5J75 11+11 Kentish Town to Cricklewood Depot
5A33 11+42 Cricklewood Depot to West Hampstead
2E33 11.50 West Hampstead to Sevenoaks
2E51 13.30 Sevenoaks to West Hampstead
5J51 14+57 West Hampstead to Cricklewood Depot
5J47 15+13 Cricklewood Depot to West Hampstead
2E47 15.20 West Hampstead to Sevenoaks
1E98 17.00 Sevenoaks to Bedford
5G98 19+24 Bedford to Bedford CS

TB406
5H91 05+52 Bedford CS to Luton
2E91 06.42 Luton to Bromley South
1E65 08.18 Bromley South to Bedford
5G65 10+13 Bedford to Bedford CS
5G07 16+21 Bedford CS to Bedford via North End Siding
1E07 16.56 Bedford to Sevenoaks
2E75 19.30 Sevenoaks to West Hampstead
5J75 20+57 West Hampstead to Cricklewood South Sidings

TB407
5H19 06+58 Cricklewood South Sidings to Luton
2E19 07.46 Luton to Sevenoaks
5E19 09+48 Sevenoaks to Sevenoaks CHS
5Z11 10+05 Sevenoaks CHS to Kentish Town
5Z12 11+38 Kentish Town to Sevenoaks CHS
5Z13 13+37 Sevenoaks CHS to Blackfriars
5Z14 14+58 Blackfriars to Sevenoaks CHS
5E63 16+25 Sevenoaks CHS to Sevenoaks
2E63 16.30 Sevenoaks to Bedford
2O35 19.14 Bedford to Sutton via Mitcham Junction
2O36 21.17 Sutton to Bedford via Wimbledon
5G36 Bedford to Bedford CS via North End Siding

TB408
5G90 07+00 Bedford CS to Bedford
1H91 07.12 Bedford to Beckenham Junction
1G84 08.41 Beckenham Junction to Bedford
1J99 10.20 Bedford to Elephant & Castle
5E99 11+32 Elephant & Castle to Bellingham Sidings
3E73 16+00 Bellingham Sidings to Elephant & Castle
1G73 16.22 Elephant & Castle to Bedford
5G25 17+40 Bedford to Bedford via North End Siding
2V25 17.54 Bedford to Sutton via Wimbledon
2V26 20.12 Sutton to Bedford via Mitcham Junction
1W73 22.22 Bedford to Brighton
5W73 01+14 Brighton to Brighton Down Yard

TB409
5A05 05+42 Cricklewood Sidings to West Hampstead
2E05 05.50 West Hampstead to Sevenoaks
2E65 07.36 Sevenoaks to Kentish Town
5J65 09+10 Kentish Town to Cricklewood Sidings
5A43 14+10 Cricklewood Sidings to West Hampstead
2E43 14.20 West Hampstead to Sevenoaks
2E61 16.00 Sevenoaks to St Albans
5K21 17+53 St Albans to St Albans via Center Siding
2V21 18.06 St Albans to Sutton
2V22 19.42 Sutton to St Albans
5J22 21+01 St Albans to Cricklewood Sidings

TB410
5G95 07+32 Bedford CS to Bedford
1V95 07.44 Bedford to Sutton via Wimbledon
2V24 09.38 Sutton to St Albans via Mitcham Junction
5K49 10+59 St Albans to St Albans via Center Siding
2O49 11.14 St Albans to Sutton via Mitcham Junction
2O50 12.37 Sutton to Luton via Wimbledon
2V79 14.44 Luton to Sutton via Wimbledon
1V80 16.38 Sutton to Bedford via Mitcham Junction
2V29 18.36 Bedford to Sutton via Wimbledon
2V30 20.42 Sutton to St Albans via Mitcham Junction
5J30 22+01 St Albans to Cricklewood South Sidings via Center Siding

TB411
5H09 04+54 Cricklewood Sidings to Luton
2E09 06.04 Luton to Sevenoaks
1E67 08.24 Sevenoaks to Bedford
5G62 09+31 Bedford to Bedford CS
5G03 15+35 Bedford CS to Bedford
1E03 15.54 Bedford to Sevenoaks
1E67 18.30 Sevenoaks to Bedford
5G67 21+02 Bedford to Bedford CS

TB412
5J94 02+51 Bedford CS to Cricklewood Sidings
5O00 05+12 Cricklewood Sidings to Sutton
2O00 06.04 Sutton to Luton
2E21 08.20 Luton to Sevenoaks
1E71 10.30 Sevenoaks to Bedford
5G35 12+52 Bedford to Bedford CS
3J73 14+02 Bedford CS to Bellingham Sidings
3E77 17+00 Bellingham Sidings to Elephant & Castle
1G77 17.22 Elephant & Castle to Bedford
2W63 18.54 Bedford to Brighton
1W70 22.05 Brighton to Bedford
5J70 00+52 Bedford to Cricklewood Sidings

TB413
5A03 05+26 Cricklewood South Sidings to West Hampstead
2O03 05.36 West Hampstead to Sutton
2O04 06.40 Sutton to Bedford
1W19 09.10 Bedford to Brighton
1W30 12.05 Brighton to Bedford
2W47 14.54 Bedford to Three Bridges
2W54 17.37 Three Bridges to Bedford
1W63 20.10 Bedford to Brighton
2W78 23.05 Brighton to Bedford
5G78 02+00 Bedford to Bedford CS

TB501
5Y91 02+14 Jowett Sidings to Bedford
2W91 02.40 Bedford to Brighton
1B00 05.47 Brighton to London Bridge
1B05 07.12 London Bridge to Brighton
1B10 08.27 Brighton to London Bridge
1B15 09.42 London Bridge to Brighton
1B22 11.02 Brighton to London Bridge
1B25 12.12 London Bridge to Brighton
5B25 13+29 Brighton to Down Yard
5B38 14+42 Down Yard to Brighton
1B38 15.02 Brighton to London Bridge
1B41 16.12 London Bridge to Brighton
1B48 17.32 Brighton to London Bridge
1B51 18.42 London Bridge to Brighton
5W51 20+06 Brighton to Three Bridges Depot

TB502
5W93 05+10 Three Bridges Depot to Three Bridges
2W94 05.20 Three Bridges to Bedford
1W13 07.34 Bedford to Brighton
1W24 10.35 Brighton to Bedford
2W41 13.24 Bedford to Three Bridges
1W92 15.59 Three Bridges to Bedford
2W61 18.24 Bedford to Three Bridges
2W66 20.43 Three Bridges to Bedford
5Y68 23+00 Bedford to Jowett Sidings

TB503
5Y11 06+32 Jowett Sidings to Bedford
1W11 06.58 Bedford to Three Bridges
2W22 09.11 Three Bridges to Bedford
1W29 11.40 Bedford to Brighton
1W40 14.35 Brighton to Bedford
2W57 17.20 Bedford to Three Bridges
2W62 19.43 Three Bridges to Bedford
5U62 22+00 Bedford to Cauldwell Depot

TB504
5W02 05+07 Brighton Down Yard to Brighton
1W02 05.30 Brighton to Bedford
2W21 08.24 Bedford to Three Bridges
2W30 10.59 Three Bridges to Bedford
1W37 13.40 Bedford to Brighton
1W96 16.35 Brighton to Bedford
5Y96 19+03 Bedford to Jowett Sidings

TB505
2W84 01.16 Three Bridges to Bedford
5Y84 03+46 Bedford to Bedford via Jowett Sidings
1W01 04.16 Bedford to Brighton
1W82 07.22 Brighton to Bedford
1W23 10.10 Bedford to Brighton
1W34 13.05 Brighton to Bedford
1W45 15.50 Bedford to Brighton
1W56 18.35 Brighton to Bedford
5Y69 21+14 Bedford to Bedford via Bedford St Johns Goods Loop
1W69 21.40 Bedford to Brighton
5W69 00+25 Brighton to Brighton Down Yard

TB506
5W06 05+10 Three Bridges Depot to Brighton
1W06 06.06 Brighton to Bedford
2W23 08.54 Bedford to Three Bridges
2W32 11.29 Three Bridges to Bedford
1W39 14.10 Bedford to Brighton
1W80 17.01 Brighton to Bedford
5Y80 19+33 Bedford to Jowett

TB507
5Y93 07+04 Jowett to Bedford
1W93 07.30 Bedford to Brighton
1W22 10.05 Brighton to Bedford
2W39 12.54 Bedford to Three Bridges
5W48 15+09 Three Bridges to Three Bridges via Depot
2W48 15.29 Three Bridges to Bedford
2W59 18.00 Bedford to Gatwick
2W64 20.18 Gatwick to Bedford
2W79 22.40 Bedford to Three Bridges

TB508
5G85 05+46 Cauldwell Depot to Bedford
1W85 06.18 Bedford to Brighton
1W18 09.05 Brighton to Bedford
2W35 11.54 Bedford to Three Bridges
2W44 14.29 Three Bridges to Bedford
1W51 17.08 Bedford to Brighton
1W62 20.03 Brighton to Bedford
2W81 23.10 Bedford to Three Bridges
5W81 01+36 Three Bridges to Three Bridges Depot

TB509
5Y19 07+22 Jowett Sidings to Bedford
2W19 07.48 Bedford to Gatwick Airport
2W26 10.08 Gatwick Airport to Bedford
1W33 12.40 Bedford to Brighton
1W90 15.35 Brighton to Bedford
1W55 18.10 Bedford to Brighton
1W66 21.05 Brighton to Bedford
5Y66 23+50 Bedford to Jowett Sidings

TB510
5Y02 03+15 Jowett Sidings to Bedford
2W03 03.40 Bedford to Brighton
1W80 06.57 Brighton to Bedford
1W21 09.40 Bedford to Brighton
1W32 12.35 Brighton to Bedford
2W49 15.24 Bedford to Three Bridges
1W84 18.07 Three Bridges to Bedford
1W65 20.40 Bedford to Brighton
2W80 23.37 Brighton to Bedford
5Y80 02+44 Bedford to Jowett Sidings

TB511
5Y87 01+08 Jowett Sidings to Bedford
2W87 01.40 Bedford to Three Bridges
2W90 04.16 Three Bridges to Bedford
1W89 06.54 Bedford to Brighton
1W20 09.35 Brighton to Bedford
5Y35 12+16 Bedford to Bedford via Jowett Sidings
1W35 13.10 Bedford to Brighton
1W94 16.02 Brighton to Bedford
1W57 18.40 Bedford to Brighton
1W68 21.33 Brighton to Bedford
5Y69 00+18 Bedford to Jowett Sidings

 

[ComUtoR]

Only opening four doors is the emergency release as the train knows its not it the right place and IIRC that's regarless of the stopping place.

Shouldn't that read. The train thinks it's in the wrong place but isn't.

I had a look through the database and some of the stations listed have the wrong platform lengths listed. Could that be part of the problem ?

 

[carriageline]

From what I understand, it's the trains not stopping in the correct "window" (albeit driver error, infrastructure error, programming error), and thus the train not releasing the doors as it doesn't know where it is.


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[GodAtum]

I wish there was more 1st class provisioning for people who choose to pay extra.

 

[Bald Rick]

I wish there was more 1st class provisioning for people who choose to pay extra.

That assumes that those in first class are paying extra! I reckon it's fewer than 10% on the north side.

 

[ComUtoR]

From what I understand, it's the trains not stopping in the correct "window" (albeit driver error, infrastructure error, programming error), and thus the train not releasing the doors as it doesn't know where it is.

In the core, it's very accurate and reliant on using its brains a bit more. Outside the core is different. So far nobody has been able to confirm which system it's using and why its going wrong. If the database is wrong then it needs updating rather than ignoring it and pretending it doesn't happen.

Clearly there is something wrong and an issue where the train is indeed stopped on the right platform and at the right mark but doesn't know it's in the right place.

Effectively the safety system is kicking in when it shouldn't.

Lessons should have been learnt from the other SDO Systems on various other units. It's a cop out just to say other units make the same mistakes and have the same issues. It shouldn't happen and should be an issue they need to resolve.

 

[OFFDN]

If the PIS code on a diagram is not recognised by the unit (i.e if it's not in the database) then the unit will also default to opening the doors only on 4 coaches.

 

[Abpj17]

That assumes that those in first class are paying extra! I reckon it's fewer than 10% on the north side.

I've never seen a genuine first class section full on TL under 'normal' conditions - do you want more than one seat each?

 

[Bald Rick]

I've never seen a genuine first class section full on TL under 'normal' conditions - do you want more than one seat each?

Eh? If you mean a genuine first class section being one that is actually first class, and not declassified, and by 'full' you mean every seat taken, I see it almost every morning.

 

[westcoaster]

In the core, it's very accurate and reliant on using its brains a bit more. Outside the core is different. So far nobody has been able to confirm which system it's using and why its going wrong. If the database is wrong then it needs updating rather than ignoring it and pretending it doesn't happen.

Clearly there is something wrong and an issue where the train is indeed stopped on the right platform and at the right mark but doesn't know it's in the right place.

Effectively the safety system is kicking in when it shouldn't.

Lessons should have been learnt from the other SDO Systems on various other units. It's a cop out just to say other units make the same mistakes and have the same issues. It shouldn't happen and should be an issue they need to resolve.

What stations are causing you issues!

There is a clear written issued notice in what to do if the doors default to 4 or 8 coaches, you use the masdo list and select the correct station and correct platform.

If you are talking about why some stations are 7 or 7 1/2 coaches , that is to do with signal sighting and stopping a little further back.

 

[Islineclear3_1]

Indeed they are and here they are. I won't be posting 12 car diagrams after this for awhile as they are pretty settled unless something changes.

13x RLU & 11x FLU

TB401

Thank you 377/5 for this most informative update. It really is appreciated. Just to check, are these just M - F diagrams and if so, are there any Sat/Sun diagrams anywhere?

 

[APUK002]

Is this correct?

 

[387star]

Will new Thames link logos ever be fitted to the 700s or is a revised livery planned ? Perhaps to coincide with London bridge completion ?

Can't imagine grey on grey

 

[jon0844]

Will new Thames link logos ever be fitted to the 700s or is a revised livery planned ? Perhaps to coincide with London bridge completion ?

Can't imagine grey on grey

Why add your new logo to your newest fleet of trains? (Sarcasm intended!)

I get that there was a contract to fit the current vinyls, but it beggars belief that they're not being changed in the UK during routine maintenance and someone didn't go to Siemens and say 'hey, we'd like to ship you xxx new vinyls to replace the ones you've got, please fit these instead'.

I know it's the railway and things work in special ways, but for trains still coming off the production line it seems odd they're getting an obsolete logo.

But then again, I also believe the new logo is crap and don't see why GTR changed it so soon anyway.

 

[physics34]

Why add your new logo to your newest fleet of trains? (Sarcasm intended!)

I get that there was a contract to fit the current vinyls, but it beggars belief that they're not being changed in the UK during routine maintenance and someone didn't go to Siemens and say 'hey, we'd like to ship you xxx new vinyls to replace the ones you've got, please fit these instead'.

I know it's the railway and things work in special ways, but for trains still coming off the production line it seems odd they're getting an obsolete logo.

But then again, I also believe the new logo is crap and don't see why GTR changed it so soon anyway.

It is bizarre . I believe they get someone from.outside to do the branding...... crazy how there is no one qualified at depots to do it themselves! Its a management contract so branding/self promotion is obviously no important...its just odd that new units are still being delivered with the old branding!!! Any news on tables?! Lol

377501 still has old Thameslink logos too.

 

[Class377/5]

Thank you 377/5 for this most informative update. It really is appreciated. Just to check, are these just M - F diagrams and if so, are there any Sat/Sun diagrams anywhere?

Weekday diagrams. Weekend diagrams change pretty much every weekend (especially at the moment) so its a nightmare to try and do them. Its about 6 times as much work that I can't really most weeks.

Generaly there should be about 8x 12 car and and every increasing amout of 8 cars.

Will new Thames link logos ever be fitted to the 700s or is a revised livery planned ? Perhaps to coincide with London bridge completion ?

Can't imagine grey on grey

Why add your new logo to your newest fleet of trains? (Sarcasm intended!)

I get that there was a contract to fit the current vinyls, but it beggars belief that they're not being changed in the UK during routine maintenance and someone didn't go to Siemens and say 'hey, we'd like to ship you xxx new vinyls to replace the ones you've got, please fit these instead'.

I know it's the railway and things work in special ways, but for trains still coming off the production line it seems odd they're getting an obsolete logo.

But then again, I also believe the new logo is crap and don't see why GTR changed it so soon anyway.

It is bizarre . I believe they get someone from.outside to do the branding...... crazy how there is no one qualified at depots to do it themselves! Its a management contract so branding/self promotion is obviously no important...its just odd that new units are still being delivered with the old branding!!! Any news on tables?! Lol

377501 still has old Thameslink logos too.

Vinyls were altered to the current (old for Thameslink) logo as part of the contract for the 700s. The cost of changing it to a new one is excessive so needs the DfT to authorise it. Currently we are still awaiting the sign off of wifi and seat back tables so things like the logo are at the back of the queue right now (and for good reasons, much more important things to sort out).

 

[Failed Unit]

Weekday diagrams. Weekend diagrams change pretty much every weekend (especially at the moment) so its a nightmare to try and do them. Its about 6 times as much work that I can't really most weeks.

Generaly there should be about 8x 12 car and and every increasing amout of 8 cars.







Vinyls were altered to the current (old for Thameslink) logo as part of the contract for the 700s. The cost of changing it to a new one is excessive so needs the DfT to authorise it. Currently we are still awaiting the sign off of wifi and seat back tables so things like the logo are at the back of the queue right now (and for good reasons, much more important things to sort out).

Which demonstrates exactly how inept GTR management are. Why change a logo when it 1. Isn't important. 2. Passengers don't care. (As they get no benefit from it) 3. It is too complex anyway.

a decent company would focus on running trains rather than redesigning logos.

 

[jon0844]

Yes, I think the easiest solution was not to change the logo at all. The current one (sorry, old one) was just fine. Given the link up of TL and GN, it made sense for there to be similarities.

Southern is different as it didn't change operator/name.

'T/' on social media just looks silly IMO. I know liking any logo is subjective, but I think the new one looks incredibly basic and done on the cheap (but I know that they often are anything but).

 

[Islineclear3_1]

Why change a logo when it 1. Isn't important. 2. Passengers don't care. (As they get no benefit from it) 3. It is too complex anyway.

Image is everything to a company (usually...) so a logo/identity is important. Passengers can identify with a logo. How is the Thameslink or Thameslink/ logo too complex?

[/QUOTE]a decent company would focus on running trains rather than redesigning logos.[/QUOTE]

I would agree that running trains is more important than redesigning a logo

 

[Roast Veg]

The logo will not have impacted the railway operation in any meaningful way. The member or members of staff involved are unlikely to have influenced day to day operation while dealing with this marketing project.

 

[Failed Unit]

Image is everything to a company (usually...) so a logo/identity is important. Passengers can identify with a logo. How is the Thameslink or Thameslink/ logo too complex?

a decent company would focus on running trains rather than redesigning logos.[/QUOTE]

I would agree that running trains is more important than redesigning a logo[/QUOTE]

When I was referring to complexity- I was meaning the act of getting it the trains rather than the logo itself. With changes to contracts etc.

 

[jon0844]

Image is everything to a company (usually...) so a logo/identity is important. Passengers can identify with a logo. How is the Thameslink or Thameslink/ logo too complex?

a decent company would focus on running trains rather than redesigning logos.[/QUOTE]

I would agree that running trains is more important than redesigning a logo[/QUOTE]

When companies rebrand, they generally plan it to make it as quick and easy as possible. Thus, if you're going to rebrand a website, social media etc, then you're also going to have a plan for posters on stations, platforms, signs at stations (e.g. St Pancras with TOC logos) and of course on the side of trains.

If you can't do all of that, why change then?

As I said, why change at all? What was wrong with the already new logo? It's an expense for GTR that they wouldn't get back from the DfT so I see no reason for it.

The fact I don't think anything of the new logo might be clouding my judgement a little, but I don't really think so. Even if I liked the new logo, I'd say the same about the odd way of introducing it and how it works when used in different ways. For example 'T/' as an avatar. Whoever came up with that?

 

[jon0844]

The logo will not have impacted the railway operation in any meaningful way. The member or members of staff involved are unlikely to have influenced day to day operation while dealing with this marketing project.

Indeed. I don't think the average passenger cares either way, but there's definitely been a cost to change the logo and everything that goes with it - either now or in the future when the 700s will have all the branding inside and out changed. Unnecessarily IMO.

If the 700s had introduced the new logo and the old trains had the old logo until they went, I could have understood the logic of a new logo (just). These are, after all, the trains we've been patiently waiting for - unlike the temporary (and in use for longer than originally intended) 377/387s.

 

[Marklund]

If it's GoVia that's wanting the logo change, why are they not paying it themselves out of the profits they make?
They surely can't be expecting the DfT to pay for their change of mind.
If it's DfT driven, that's a different ball game.

 

[Class377/5]

If it's GoVia that's wanting the logo change, why are they not paying it themselves out of the profits they make?
They surely can't be expecting the DfT to pay for their change of mind.
If it's DfT driven, that's a different ball game.

What profits are those? GTR is losing its parent company money. It it's costing Govia more to run then it's paid by the DfT. All profits go to DfT who also control non day to day costs.

Oh and GTR is supposed to strengthen the Thameslink brand by contract hence the change from the bid logo to the current one (focusing on being a link that people will be using daily). It's just not allowed to spend any money doing that without DfT permission.

 

[Marklund]

What profits are those? GTR is losing its parent company money. It it's costing Govia more to run then it's paid by the DfT. All profits go to DfT who also control non day to day costs.

Oh and GTR is supposed to strengthen the Thameslink brand by contract hence the change from the bid logo to the current one (focusing on being a link that people will be using daily). It's just not allowed to spend any money doing that without DfT permission.

So what are they paid to run the contract then? Magic beans? :roll:

 

[Failed Unit]

So what are they paid to run the contract then? Magic beans? :roll:

Maybe the should do the decent thing and walk away. Give us users the best thing they can a company that can get the best out of their staff and hence provide us with a decent service. Rebranding isn't going to strengthen the brand. Not having a repeat of last Sunday will. But the relationship between management and staff is so poor that isn't going to happen while GTR are still in charge.

Oh well back to class 700s after my little rant.

 

[Class377/5]

So what are they paid to run the contract then? Magic beans? :roll:

They are being paid but the running cost (ie train rental, staff costs) are more than GTR relieves.

You make have an attitude like that but doesn't change the facts here. And the figures have been given on this forum multiple times before. :roll:

 

[Marklund]

They are being paid but the running cost (ie train rental, staff costs) are more than GTR relieves.

You make have an attitude like that but doesn't change the facts here. And the figures have been given on this forum multiple times before. :roll:

In other words, they've stuffed the contract, but can afford to pay for full page spreads in national newspapers. :roll:

There's only one poster with an attitude problem on this thread.
I suggest you calm down, it's not good for your blood pressure.

 

[Roast Veg]

Indeed. I don't think the average passenger cares either way, but there's definitely been a cost to change the logo and everything that goes with it - either now or in the future when the 700s will have all the branding inside and out changed. Unnecessarily IMO.

Actually my point kind of went the other way, I was suggesting that a Mr/Miss logo designer isn't going to be the person to "fix" GTR in a heartbeat because that isn't their day job when they aren't designing logos. Why should they be forbidden from rebranding because their management is lacking in some areas? (Though I agree that the timing seems odd regardless)