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I had my first journey on the Class 700 last Tuesday, and I loved it! 700 115 was the unit I had, on 2W19 Bedford to Gatwick Airport and because all the Caterham trains were delayed, I decided to board "the future of rail travel" to Purley. It was so cold last week, so when I boarded, it felt really warm and cosy onboard. I love the new PIS, and I think it should be rolled out on to more new trains coming into service. Bit suprised they do not have power sockets onboard, but I'm under the impression they will be retrofitted in due course, as well as fitting WiFi onboard. When we approached Purley, I really didn't want to get off, but I had to, otherwise I would have received a fine as my oyster isn't valid at Gatwick Airport!
Then today, my second ride on the 700's came courtesy of 700 104 on the same train I took last week (2W19). I missed two Caterham trains just to get this, as it was my only opportunity to get it, and also down the fact the train behind it was a Caterham service anyway. I went in to First Class while I could, and tried out the seats. They are slightly more comfortable than the Fainsa seats in Standard Class, but what I didn't like was the gap in the doorway to Standard Class, but somehow, it did seem a lot quieter in there.
Anyway, the Class 700's are great units, but of course for me, nothing is better than your good old 455
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Also, there was a 319 on 1W15 Bedford to Brighton today. Didn't catch the front unit but on the rear was 319421. Was quite surprised as I thought Bedford to Brighton was all 377/387/700.
Then today, my second ride on the 700's came courtesy of 700 104 on the same train I took last week (2W19). I missed two Caterham trains just to get this, as it was my only opportunity to get it, and also down the fact the train behind it was a Caterham service anyway. I went in to First Class while I could, and tried out the seats. They are slightly more comfortable than the Fainsa seats in Standard Class, but what I didn't like was the gap in the doorway to Standard Class, but somehow, it did seem a lot quieter in there.
Anyway, the Class 700's are great units, but of course for me, nothing is better than your good old 455
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Also, there was a 319 on 1W15 Bedford to Brighton today. Didn't catch the front unit but on the rear was 319421. Was quite surprised as I thought Bedford to Brighton was all 377/387/700.
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Nothing to do with train, station/infrastructure or driver.
Next week sees the increase to 18 diagrams with 407 diagram having driver training moves included (likely for SE drivers as Orpington driver driver quite a few Thameslink service).
Here are the diagrams, note some of the older ones have changed.
TB401
5W78 03+38 Three Bridge Depot to Three Bridges
1W78 03.46 Three Bridges to Bedford
1V83 06.14 Bedford to Sutton via Wimbledon
2V12 08.08 Sutton to St Albans via Mitcham
5K37 09+31 St Albans to St Albans via Center Siding
2O37 09.44 St Albans to Sutton via Mitcham Junction
2O38 11.07 Sutton to Luton via Wimbledon
2V67 13.14 Luton to Sutton via Wimbledon
2V68 15.08 Sutton to St Albans via Mitcham
5K93 16+29 St Albans to St Albans via Center Siding
2O93 16.44 St Albans to Sutton via Mitcham
2O94 18.11 Sutton to Luton via Wimbledon
2V41 20.20 Luton to Sutton via Wimbledon
5O48 22+12 Sutton to Streatham via Mitcham
5O48 22+31 Streatham to Sutton via Mitcham
2O48 22.47 Sutton to St Bedford via Wimbledon
5G48 01+10 Bedford to Bedford CS
TB402
5W01 05+20 Down Yard to Brighton
1W04 05.44 Brighton to Bedford
1W17 08.40 Bedford to Brighton
1W28 11.35 Brighton to Bedford
2W45 14.24 Bedford to Three Bridges
2W52 17.05 Three Bridges to Bedford
1W61 19.40 Bedford to Brighton
5W62 22+22 Brighton to Three Bridges Depot
TB403
5G90 07+00 Bedford CS to Bedford
1H91 07.12 Bedford to Beckenham Junction
1G84 08.41 Beckenham Junction to Bedford
1J99 10.20 Bedford to Elephant & Castle
5E99 11+32 Elephant & Castle to Bellingham Sidings
3E73 16+00 Bellingham Sidings to Elephant & Castle
1G73 16.22 Elephant & Castle to Bedford
5G25 17+40 Bedford to Bedford via North End Siding
2V25 17.54 Bedford to Sutton via Wimbledon
2V26 20.12 Sutton to Bedford via Mitcham Junction
1W73 22.22 Bedford to Brighton
5W73 01+14 Brighton to Down Yard
TB404
5G85 00+28 Bedford CS to Bedford
2W85 00.40 Bedford to Three Bridges
2W88 03.16 Three Bridges to Bedford
1O09 05.48 Bedford to Sutton via Mitcham
1O10 07.40 Sutton to Bedford via Wimbledon
5G29 09+52 Bedford to Bedford via North End Siding
2W29 10.24 Bedford to Three Bridges
2W38 12.59 Three Bridges to Bedford
1H66 15.40 Bedford to Beckenham Junction
1G79 17.30 Beckenham Junction to Bedford
5G79 19+10 Bedford to Bedford CS via North End Siding
TB405
5G77 02+08 Bedford CS to Bedford
1W77 02.20 Bedford to Three Bridges
2W92 04.50 Three Bridge to Bedford
1E64 07.16 Bedford to Sevenoaks
2E75 09.42 Sevenoaks to Kentish Town
5J75 11+11 Kentish Town to Cricklewood Depot
5A33 11+42 Cricklewood Depot to West Hampstead
2E33 11.50 West Hampstead to Sevenoaks
2E51 13.30 Sevenoaks to West Hampstead
5J51 14+57 West Hampstead to Cricklewood Depot
5J47 15+13 Cricklewood Depot to West Hampstead
2E47 15.20 West Hampstead to Sevenoaks
1E98 17.00 Sevenoaks to Bedford
5G98 19+24 Bedford to Bedford CS
TB406
5G95 07+32 Bedford CS to Bedford
1V95 07.44 Bedford to Sutton via Wimbledon
2V24 09.38 Sutton to St Albans via Mitcham Junction
5K49 10+59 St Albans to St Albans via Center Siding
2O49 11.14 St Albans to Sutton via Mitcham Junction
2O50 12.37 Sutton to Luton via Wimbledon
2V79 14.44 Luton to Sutton via Wimbledon
1V80 16.38 Sutton to Bedford via Mitcham Junction
2V29 18.36 Bedford to Sutton via Wimbledon
2V30 20.42 Sutton to St Albans via Mitcham Junction
5J30 22+01 St Albans to Cricklewood South Sidings via Center Siding
TB407
5H19 06+58 Cricklewood South Sidings to Luton
2E19 07.46 Luton to Sevenoaks
5E19 09+48 Sevenoaks to Sevenoaks CHS
5Z11 10+05 Sevenoaks CHS to Kentish Town
5Z12 11+38 Kentish Town to Sevenoaks CHS
5Z13 13+37 Sevenoaks CHS to Blackfriars
5Z14 14+58 Blackfriars to Sevenoaks CHS
5E63 16+25 Sevenoaks CHS to Sevenoaks
2E63 16.30 Sevenoaks to Bedford
2O35 19.14 Bedford to Sutton via Mitcham Junction
2O36 21.17 Sutton to Bedford via Wimbledon
5G36 Bedford to Bedford CS via North End Siding
TB501
5Y91 02+14 Jowett Sidings to Bedford
2W91 02.40 Bedford to Brighton
1B00 05.47 Brighton to London Bridge
1B05 07.12 London Bridge to Brighton
1B10 08.27 Brighton to London Bridge
1B15 09.42 London Bridge to Brighton
1B22 11.02 Brighton to London Bridge
1B25 12.12 London Bridge to Brighton
5B25 13+29 Brighton to Down Yard
5B38 14+42 Down Yard to Brighton
1B38 15.02 Brighton to London Bridge
1B41 16.12 London Bridge to Brighton
1B48 17.32 Brighton to London Bridge
1B51 18.42 London Bridge to Brighton
5W51 20+06 Brighton to Three Bridges Depot
TB502
5W93 05+10 Three Bridges Depot to Three Bridges
2W94 05.20 Three Bridges to Bedford
1W13 07.34 Bedford to Brighton
1W24 10.35 Brighton to Bedford
2W41 13.24 Bedford to Three Bridges
1W92 15.59 Three Bridges to Bedford
2W61 18.24 Bedford to Three Bridges
2W66 20.43 Three Bridges to Bedford
5Y68 23+00 Bedford to Jowett Sidings
TB503
5Y11 06+32 Jowett Sidings to Bedford
1W11 06.58 Bedford to Three Bridges
2W22 09.11 Three Bridges to Bedford
1W29 11.40 Bedford to Brighton
1W40 14.35 Brighton to Bedford
2W57 17.20 Bedford to Three Bridges
2W62 19.43 Three Bridges to Bedford
5U62 22+00 Bedford to Cauldwell Depot
TB504
5W02 05+07 Brighton Down Yard to Brighton
1W02 05.30 Brighton to Bedford
2W21 08.24 Bedford to Three Bridges
2W30 10.59 Three Bridges to Bedford
1W37 13.40 Bedford to Brighton
1W96 16.35 Brighton to Bedford
5Y96 19+03 Bedford to Jowett Sidings
TB505
2W84 01.16 Three Bridges to Bedford
5Y84 03+46 Bedford to Bedford via Jowett Sidings
1W01 04.16 Bedford to Brighton
1W82 07.22 Brighton to Bedford
1W23 10.10 Bedford to Brighton
1W34 13.05 Brighton to Bedford
1W45 15.50 Bedford to Brighton
1W56 18.35 Brighton to Bedford
5Y69 21+14 Bedford to Bedford via Bedford St Johns Goods Loop
1W69 21.40 Bedford to Brighton
5W69 00+25 Brighton to Down Yard
TB506
5W06 05+10 Three Bridges Depot to Brighton
1W06 06.06 Brighton to Bedford
2W23 08.54 Bedford to Three Bridges
2W32 11.29 Three Bridges to Bedford
1W39 14.10 Bedford to Brighton
1W80 17.01 Brighton to Bedford
5Y80 19+33 Bedford to Jowett
TB507
5Y93 07+04 Jowett to Bedford
1W93 07.30 Bedford to Brighton
1W22 10.05 Brighton to Bedford
2W39 12.54 Bedford to Three Bridges
5W48 15+09 Three Bridges to Three Bridges via Depot
2W48 15.29 Three Bridges to Bedford
2W59 18.00 Bedford to Gatwick
2W64 20.18 Gatwick to Bedford
2W79 22.40 Bedford to Three Bridges
TB508
5G85 05+46 Cauldwell Depot to Bedford
1W85 06.18 Bedford to Brighton
1W18 09.05 Brighton to Bedford
2W35 11.54 Bedford to Three Bridges
2W44 14.29 Three Bridges to Bedford
1W51 17.08 Bedford to Brighton
1W62 20.03 Brighton to Bedford
2W81 23.10 Bedford to Three Bridges
5W81 01+36 Three Bridges to Three Bridges Depot
TB509
5Y19 07+22 Jowett Sidings to Bedford
2W19 07.48 Bedford to Gatwick Airport
2W26 10.08 Gatwick Airport to Bedford
1W33 12.40 Bedford to Brighton
1W90 15.35 Brighton to Bedford
1W55 18.10 Bedford to Brighton
1W66 21.05 Brighton to Bedford
5Y66 23+50 Bedford to Jowett Sidings
TB510
5Y02 03+15 Jowett Sidings to Bedford
2W03 03.40 Bedford to Brighton
1W80 06.57 Brighton to Bedford
1W21 09.40 Bedford to Brighton
1W32 12.35 Brighton to Bedford
2W49 15.24 Bedford to Three Bridges
1W84 18.07 Three Bridges to Bedford
1W65 20.40 Bedford to Brighton
2W80 23.37 Brighton to Bedford
5Y80 02+44 Bedford to Jowett Sidings
TB511
5Y87 01+08 Jowett Sidings to Bedford
2W87 01.40 Bedford to Three Bridges
2W90 04.16 Three Bridges to Bedford
1W89 06.54 Bedford to Brighton
1W20 09.35 Brighton to Bedford
5Y35 12+16 Bedford to Bedford via Jowett Sidings
1W35 13.10 Bedford to Brighton
1W94 16.02 Brighton to Bedford
1W57 18.40 Bedford to Brighton
1W68 21.33 Brighton to Bedford
5Y69 00+18 Bedford to Jowett Sidings
trainmania100
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Theyre sure taking over the network fast
I wonder if people are still excited about them as they were just before they were introduced into service
I wonder if people are still excited about them as they were just before they were introduced into service
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Next time, go to the back of the train (it's fun to walk through if you can't do it on the platform) and enjoy the declassified first class section that has power points and tables.
That's the back of the train in direction of travel btw.
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UK arrivals
Unit 1 - 700106 - 31/07/15
Unit 2 - 700107 - 30/09/15
Unit 3 - 700108 - 28/10/15
Unit 4 - 700110 - 16/12/15
Unit 5 - 700109 - 06/01/16
Unit 6 - 700111 - 20/01/16
Unit 7 - 700102 - 02/03/16
Unit 8 - 700002 - 09/03/16
Unit 9 - 700112 - 16/03/16
Unit 10 - 700103 - 23/03/16
Unit 11 - 700113 - 30/03/16
Unit 12 - 700114 - 20/04/16
Unit 13 - 700003 - 27/04/16
Unit 14 - 700004 - 04/05/16
Unit 15 - 700005 - 18/05/16
Unit 16 - 700104 - 01/06/16
Unit 17 - 700006 - 08/06/16
Unit 18 - 700007 - 29/06/16
Unit 19 - 700105 - 06/07/16
Unit 20 - 700010 - 13/07/16
Unit 21 - 700115 - 20/07/16
Unit 22 - 700008 - 27/07/16
Unit 23 - 700014 - 10/08/16
Unit 24 - 700101 - 17/08/16
Unit 25 - 700018 - 24/08/16
Unit 26 - 700015 - 29/08/16
Unit 27 - 700019 - 07/09/16
Unit 28 - 700016 - 14/09/16
Unit 29 - 700020 - 21/09/16
Unit 30 - 700021 - 28/09/16
Unit 31 - 700023 - 04/10/16
Unit 32 - 700027 - 02/11/16
Unit 33 - 700030 - 09/11/16
Unit 34 - 700009 - 22/11/16
Unit 35 - 700012 - 30/11/16
Unit 36 - 7000xx - 07/12/16
In service
700002 - 06/10/16
700003 - 04/10/16
700005 - 26/10/16
700008 - 03/10/16
700014 - 25/10/16
700019 - 07/10/16
700023 - 25/11/16
700101 - 01/11/16
700102 - 29/07/16
700103 - 30/08/16
700104 - 12/07/16
700105 - 21/11/16
700106 - 21/11/16
700107 - 04/07/16
700108 - 20/06/16
700109 - 21/06/16
700110 - 02/08/16
700111 - 25/08/16
700112 - 20/07/16
700113 - 25/07/16
700114 - 04/07/16
700115 - 15/11/16
700010/018 may already be in service.
Unit 1 - 700106 - 31/07/15
Unit 2 - 700107 - 30/09/15
Unit 3 - 700108 - 28/10/15
Unit 4 - 700110 - 16/12/15
Unit 5 - 700109 - 06/01/16
Unit 6 - 700111 - 20/01/16
Unit 7 - 700102 - 02/03/16
Unit 8 - 700002 - 09/03/16
Unit 9 - 700112 - 16/03/16
Unit 10 - 700103 - 23/03/16
Unit 11 - 700113 - 30/03/16
Unit 12 - 700114 - 20/04/16
Unit 13 - 700003 - 27/04/16
Unit 14 - 700004 - 04/05/16
Unit 15 - 700005 - 18/05/16
Unit 16 - 700104 - 01/06/16
Unit 17 - 700006 - 08/06/16
Unit 18 - 700007 - 29/06/16
Unit 19 - 700105 - 06/07/16
Unit 20 - 700010 - 13/07/16
Unit 21 - 700115 - 20/07/16
Unit 22 - 700008 - 27/07/16
Unit 23 - 700014 - 10/08/16
Unit 24 - 700101 - 17/08/16
Unit 25 - 700018 - 24/08/16
Unit 26 - 700015 - 29/08/16
Unit 27 - 700019 - 07/09/16
Unit 28 - 700016 - 14/09/16
Unit 29 - 700020 - 21/09/16
Unit 30 - 700021 - 28/09/16
Unit 31 - 700023 - 04/10/16
Unit 32 - 700027 - 02/11/16
Unit 33 - 700030 - 09/11/16
Unit 34 - 700009 - 22/11/16
Unit 35 - 700012 - 30/11/16
Unit 36 - 7000xx - 07/12/16
In service
700002 - 06/10/16
700003 - 04/10/16
700005 - 26/10/16
700008 - 03/10/16
700014 - 25/10/16
700019 - 07/10/16
700023 - 25/11/16
700101 - 01/11/16
700102 - 29/07/16
700103 - 30/08/16
700104 - 12/07/16
700105 - 21/11/16
700106 - 21/11/16
700107 - 04/07/16
700108 - 20/06/16
700109 - 21/06/16
700110 - 02/08/16
700111 - 25/08/16
700112 - 20/07/16
700113 - 25/07/16
700114 - 04/07/16
700115 - 15/11/16
700010/018 may already be in service.
Peter Mugridge
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What percentage of the existing diagrams is this now, please?
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Its
36x 319 (144 carriages)
22x 377 (TL only) (88 carriages)
6x 387 (24 carriages)
7x 700/0 (56 carriages)
11x 700/1 (132 carriages)
Its hard to get a % as each 700/0 is two diagrams of the other fleets and some of the 700/1 are three diagrams (others are increased capacity as it used to be 4 peak 12 cars a day on TL and now is 11).
But if you go off carriages then from a total of 444 carriages, 700 are 188 carriages or 42% of carriages from Monday.
Peter Mugridge
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Ah.... I see... So roughly 35 - 40% of the existing services now, then?
1179_Clee2
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What Class 319's are currently stood down?
Platform 5's 2017 EMU pocket book has 52 in use with TL so 12 more have been stood down since it was printed, which ones?
trainmania100
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How far into the deliveries are we? Many more to come?
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Not got a list sorry.
Did you read all the posts on this page as I posted this!
trainmania100
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Is it 42%?
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377/5's numbers are diagrams, rather than sets in the fleet. It could thus still be 52 units in the fleet for 36 diagrams, but probably is a lower number.
Not strictly this thread I know, but across GTR more generally, does anybody know if 313055 has been or is to be returned to service?
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Its...
41 units for 36 319 diagrams^
24 units 22 377
9 units for 6 387
9 units 7x 700/0
15* units 11x 700/1
^ Includes the 6x 319s leased by Southeastern as they are one fleet diagram wise
* Currently 110 is on ETCS/ATO testing
Believe 313055 is still out last time I checked.
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Thanks for clarifying re the 313 and for today's update generally...
Stew998
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The 0606 from Brighton to Bedford was cancelled this morning - it was a 700 yesterday was it a 700 that failed today?
asylumxl
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So what exactly does that leave?
Were they cancelled due to a change in wind direction? Perhaps due to interstellar winds? Someone looked at it funny? [emoji14]
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Either some other member of staff presumably, possibly signaling control staff (unless they are covered by 'infrastructure', staff at GTR (but not the driver) or the staff of another TOC, or another train (of any TOC) as these possibilities are not mentioned. It could of course be the wind, solar, interstellar or otherwise...
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asylumxl
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That's about as convincing a reason as Thameslink usually gives anyway
.Interesting. Not seen this done here before. Presumably 50 minutes spent station the Up St Helier between Wimbledon Chase and Wimbledon looking at the link.
Oi - we were up to 60.9% punctuality last week. I doubt the 'Nunhead' issue will happen again anyway.notverydeep said:
trainmania100
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Can someone kindly point me to the direction of the Class 707 thread? If there isnt one maybe this threads title can be changed?
On the subject of desiro class 700s and 707s, the first 707 will be delivered tonight to Clapham Yard. I havent seen this mentioned anywhere else.
On the subject of desiro class 700s and 707s, the first 707 will be delivered tonight to Clapham Yard. I havent seen this mentioned anywhere else.
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As you don't want to use search function, here the thread...
http://www.railforums.co.uk/showthread.php?t=122552
trainmania100
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vBulletin has never been great for searching. Better to do it in the URL bar of your browser. On Chrome, just use "www.railforums.uk <search terms>" and you can usually find anything very easily, and without the need to wait for trying different terms.
Will be interesting when the 700s arrive on GN, the commuters are constantly complaining about the reduced number of seats on the 387s, they'll faint when a 700 turns up..!
Rumours internally are that it is to be returned to service as we literally can't spare having the unit out of service for the next couple of years. With the number of short forms it's not a major surprise, although it probably is to those who expected it to become a bit of a Christmas Tree at Hornsey, but as said, it's just rumours so that may still happen.
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I guess the benefits are still not fully coming through. The positive can't be disputed.
1. Majority of services will be 12 car vice 8. (I know 12 car ones exist already but still lots of 8)
2. Crush loading better,
3. The days of 4 car trains are over big relief at the weekend.
I am a big critic of the capability reduction of the 387s. Just be interested once they start running if people in Stevenage and further north will pick the 12 cars to give the space on the 8s to those that have no choice. A lot of people take the slower service because they get a seat. We shall see.
I doubt it.
The majority of the 700s are 8-car, not 12. My strong suspicion is the 8-cars will do the majority of services on the GN side. I'm not saying there won't be some 12-cars but I bet they'll be in the minority.
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