Thameslink/ Class 700 Progress

[AM9]

12 minutes? I'm gonna need you to cite a source.

I would assume that includes the not inconsiderable flows from St Albans to West Hampstead.

 

[Bald Rick]

12 minutes? I'm gonna need you to cite a source.

As you can imagine, confidential. But...

Stand at St Pancras LL in the morning peak, observe how many people get on, and then where they get off. There is a huge flow from St Pancras to City TL and Blackfriars. Quite a few from Farringdon to these two as well (even though it's often quicker to walk).

Add in the rest of the core only journeys, St Albans to West Hampstead, Elstree to West Hampstead (on the fast services) and anywhere south of Cricklewood to St Pancras.
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Does the system that generates the loading data log anything that could be used by TL to analyse trends in passenger numbers?

It does, but this is not new, as the 377s have always had this.

 

[Class377/5]

700030 is this mornings delivery

EDIT:

We now have next weeks increase in 700/1 diagrams

TB401
5W78 03+38 Three Bridge Depot to Three Bridges
1W78 03.46 Three Bridges to Bedford
1V83 06.14 Bedford to Sutton via Wimbledon
2V12 08.08 Sutton to St Albans via Mitcham
5K37 09+31 St Albans to St Albans via Center Siding
2O37 09.44 St Albans to Sutton via Mitcham Junction
2O38 11.07 Sutton to Luton via Wimbledon
2V67 13.14 Luton to Sutton via Wimbledon
2V68 15.08 Sutton to St Albans via Mitcham
5K93 16+29 St Albans to St Albans via Center Siding
2O93 16.44 St Albans to Sutton via Mitcham
2O94 18.11 Sutton to Luton via Wimbledon
2V41 20.20 Luton to Sutton via Wimbledon
5O48 22+12 Sutton to Streatham via Mitcham
5O48 22+31 Streatham to Sutton via Mitcham
2O48 22.47 Sutton to St Bedford via Wimbledon
5G48 01+10 Bedford to Bedford CS

TB402
5W01 05+20 Down Yard to Brighton
1W04 05.44 Brighton to Bedford
1W17 08.40 Bedford to Brighton
1W28 11.35 Brighton to Bedford
2W45 14.24 Bedford to Three Bridges
2W52 17.05 Three Bridges to Bedford
1W63 19.40 Bedford to Brighton
5W62 22+22 Brighton to Three Bridges Depot

TB403
5G04 04+33 Bedford CS to Bedford
1W03 04.46 Bedford to Brighton
1W12 07.48 Brighton to Bedford
1W25 10.40 Bedford to Brighton
1W36 13.35 Brighton to Bedford
1W49 16.26 Bedford to Brighton
1W60 19.33 Brighton to Bedford
1W73 22.22 Bedford to Brighton
5W73 01+14 Brighton to Down Yard

TB501
5Y91 02+14 Jowett Sidings to Bedford
2W91 02.40 Bedford to Brighton
1B00 05.47 Brighton to London Bridge
1B05 07.12 London Bridge to Brighton
1B10 08.27 Brighton to London Bridge
1B15 09.42 London Bridge to Brighton
1B22 11.02 Brighton to London Bridge
1B25 12.12 London Bridge to Brighton
5B25 13+29 Brighton to Down Yard
5B38 14+42 Down Yard to Brighton
1B38 15.02 Brighton to London Bridge
1B41 16.12 London Bridge to Brighton
1B48 17.32 Brighton to London Bridge
1B51 18.42 London Bridge to Brighton
5W51 20+06 Brighton to Three Bridges Depot

TB502
5W93 05+10 Three Bridges Depot to Three Bridges
2W94 05.20 Three Bridges to Bedford
1W13 07.34 Bedford to Brighton
1W24 10.35 Brighton to Bedford
2W41 13.24 Bedford to Three Bridges
5W92 15+41 Three Bridges to Three Bridges Depot
5W92 15+56 Three Bridges Depot to Three Bridges
1W92 15.59 Three Bridges to Bedford
2W61 18.24 Bedford to Three Bridges
2W66 20.43 Three Bridges to Bedford
5Y68 23+00 Bedford to Jowett Sidings

TB503
5Y11 06+32 Jowett Sidings to Bedford
1W11 06.58 Bedford to Three Bridges
2W22 09.11 Three Bridges to Bedford
1W29 11.40 Bedford to Brighton
1W40 14.35 Brighton to Bedford
2W57 17.20 Bedford to Three Bridges
2W62 19.43 Three Bridges to Bedford
5Y62 22+00 Bedford to Jowett Sidings

TB504
5W02 05+07 Brighton Down Yard to Brighton
1W02 05.30 Brighton to Bedford
2W21 08.24 Bedford to Three Bridges
5W30 10+41 Three Bridges to Three Bridges Depot
5W30 10+56 Three Bridges Depot to Three Bridges
2W30 10.59 Three Bridges to Bedford
1W37 13.40 Bedford to Brighton
1W96 16.35 Brighton to Bedford
5Y96 19+03 Bedford to Jowett Sidings

TB505
2W84 01.16 Three Bridges to Bedford
5Y84 03+46 Bedford to Bedford via Jowett Sidings
1W01 04.16 Bedford to Brighton
1W82 07.22 Brighton to Bedford
1W23 10.10 Bedford to Brighton
1W34 13.05 Brighton to Bedford
1W45 15.50 Bedford to Brighton
1W56 18.35 Brighton to Bedford
5Y69 21+14 Bedford to Jowett Sidings
5Y69 21+27 Jowett Sidings to Bedford
1W69 21.40 Bedford to Brighton
5W69 00+25 Brighton to Down Yard

TB506
5W06 05+10 Three Bridges Depot to Brighton
1W06 06.06 Brighton to Bedford
2W23 08.54 Bedford to Three Bridges
2W32 11.29 Three Bridges to Bedford
1W39 14.10 Bedford to Brighton
1W80 17.01 Brighton to Bedford
5Y80 19+33 Bedford to Jowett

TB507
5Y93 07+04 Jowett to Bedford
1W93 07.30 Bedford to Brighton
1W22 10.05 Brighton to Bedford
2W39 12.54 Bedford to Three Bridges
5W48 15+09 Three Bridges to Three Bridges via Depot
2W48 15.29 Three Bridges to Bedford
2W59 18.00 Bedford to Gatwick
2W64 20.18 Gatwick to Bedford
2W79 22.40 Bedford to Three Bridges

TB508
5Y85 05+48 Jowett Sidings to Bedford
1W85 06.18 Bedford to Brighton
1W18 09.05 Brighton to Bedford
2W35 11.54 Bedford to Three Bridges
2W44 14.29 Three Bridges to Bedford
1W51 17.08 Bedford to Brighton
1W62 20.03 Brighton to Bedford
2W81 23.10 Bedford to Three Bridges
5W81 01+36 Three Bridges to Three Bridges Depot

TB509
5Y19 07+22 Jowett Sidings to Bedford
2W19 07.48 Bedford to Gatwick Airport
2W26 10.08 Gatwick Airport to Bedford
1W33 12.40 Bedford to Brighton
1W90 15.35 Brighton to Bedford
1W55 18.10 Bedford to Brighton
1W66 21.05 Brighton to Bedford
5Y66 23+50 Bedford to Jowett Sidings

TB510
5Y02 03+15 Jowett Sidings to Bedford
2W03 03.40 Bedford to Brighton
1W80 06.57 Brighton to Bedford
1W21 09.40 Bedford to Brighton
1W32 12.35 Brighton to Bedford
2W49 15.24 Bedford to Three Bridges
1W84 18.07 Three Bridges to Bedford
1W65 20.40 Bedford to Brighton
2W80 23.37 Brighton to Bedford
5Y80 02+44 Bedford to Jowett Sidings

TB511
5Y87 01+08 Jowett Sidings to Bedford
2W87 01.40 Bedford to Three Bridges
2W90 04.16 Three Bridges to Bedford
1W89 06.54 Bedford to Brighton
1W20 09.35 Brighton to Bedford
5Y35 12+16 Bedford to Bedford via Jowett Sidings
1W35 13.10 Bedford to Brighton
1W94 16.02 Brighton to Bedford
1W57 18.40 Bedford to Brighton
1W68 21.33 Brighton to Bedford
5Y68 00+18 Bedford to Jowett Sidings

 

[Mordac]

To be honest I'm not sure. I've heard all sorts of conflicting numbers about how many have already gone. I think it's pretty certain that there's 4 gone already, and I've heard everything from 5 to 8 gone in total. So they'd need anything from 4 to 7 to make up the total 12. So no actual idea. Would really appreciate some gen on this, but I understand if it's only tangentially related to the thread. I've just been wondering if they had dropped to the bottom of the queue because from what you've been saying it's 377s and 387s that are being displaced now.

EDIT: What I've gleaned from Today's Railways is: 319004/005/219/431/442 at Wolverton. Everything else hasn't turned up yet and is just from conflicting online sources.

So I got December's Today's Railways. This adds to the above that 319218/219 are actually with Northern, everything else still at Wolverton, so that's 7 away from Thameslink. Class 377/5 or anyone else in the know, do you know when the remaining 5 will go, if these numbers are indeed correct?

 

[Class377/5]

So I got December's Today's Railways. This adds to the above that 319218/219 are actually with Northern, everything else still at Wolverton, so that's 7 away from Thameslink. Class 377/5 or anyone else in the know, do you know when the remaining 5 will go, if these numbers are indeed correct?

I believe some are going at the weekend. Don't have any numbers tho but think 450 is one of them.

 

[Class 466]

What do these 2 additional diagrams replace rolling stock wise?

 

[asylumxl]

As you can imagine, confidential. But...

Stand at St Pancras LL in the morning peak, observe how many people get on, and then where they get off. There is a huge flow from St Pancras to City TL and Blackfriars. Quite a few from Farringdon to these two as well (even though it's often quicker to walk).

Add in the rest of the core only journeys, St Albans to West Hampstead, Elstree to West Hampstead (on the fast services) and anywhere south of Cricklewood to St Pancras.
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It does, but this is not new, as the 377s have always had this.

Why would I stand on the platform when I'm usually on the train?

From my experience, I'd say about the same number of people alight from the services at St Pancras as join the service, which isn't a lot compared to the number of passengers from north of St Pancras that alight at City Thameslink and Blackfriars.

I assume this average is a mean? I'd be interested to know median and mode figures.

 

[Mordac]

I believe some are going at the weekend. Don't have any numbers tho but think 450 is one of them.

Thanks for that, if you hear any more please let us know, either here or in the 319 threads!

 

[swt class 450]

I was on a 700 again yesterday a noticed that one of the plug sockets had fallen out! It certainly didnt look safe! I have attached a photo.

 

[jon0844]

That's a very portable charger.

 

[Class377/5]

I was on a 700 again yesterday a noticed that one of the plug sockets had fallen out! It certainly didnt look safe! I have attached a photo.

Did you report it or have a coach number?

 

[D365]

Is that a cleaners' socket or are the 700s being retrofitted already?

 

[swt_passenger]

Is that a cleaners' socket or are the 700s being retrofitted already?

The sockets are already fitted in the end cars, (i.e. the first class areas).

 

[RichardW]

700030 is this mornings delivery


TB401
5W78 03+38 Three Bridge Depot to Three Bridges
1W78 03.46 Three Bridges to Bedford
1V83 06.14 Bedford to Sutton via Wimbledon
2V12 08.08 Sutton to St Albans via Mitcham
5K37 09+31 St Albans to St Albans via Center Siding
2O37 09.44 St Albans to Sutton via Mitcham Junction
2O38 11.07 Sutton to Luton via Wimbledon
2V67 13.14 Luton to Sutton via Wimbledon
2V68 15.08 Sutton to St Albans via Mitcham
5K93 16+29 St Albans to St Albans via Center Siding
2O93 16.44 St Albans to Sutton via Mitcham
2O94 18.11 Sutton to Luton via Wimbledon
2V41 20.20 Luton to Sutton via Wimbledon
5O48 22+12 Sutton to Streatham via Mitcham
5O48 22+31 Streatham to Sutton via Mitcham
2O48 22.47 Sutton to St Bedford via Wimbledon
5G48 01+10 Bedford to Bedford CS

Thank you for providing this and the other diagrams. I realise it is unlikely that you can advise but will there soon be additional Sutton services please?

 

[D365]

The sockets are already fitted in the end cars, (i.e. the first class areas).

Oh of course. The seats look far too posh.

 

[Class377/5]

Thank you for providing this and the other diagrams. I realise it is unlikely that you can advise but will there soon be additional Sutton services please?

Soon. Next week is 2x 12 cars but there will be a fair break before more 12 cars are introduced. Sutton will receive quite a few 700 trips before the years end, generally replacing the Electrostar workings by the look of it.

Kent will start to see 700 services soon as well.

I just can't give dates I'm afraid.

 

[Alteran Ancient]

I was given a date for Kent services recently, but as there is want for not getting people into trouble, I shall keep quiet about it for now.

A 700 has already visited Kent at least as far as Bromley, for staff familiarity purposes, so it isn't like it hasn't happened yet.

 

[Class377/5]

I was given a date for Kent services recently, but as there is want for not getting people into trouble, I shall keep quiet about it for now.

A 700 has already visited Kent at least as far as Bromley, for staff familiarity purposes, so it isn't like it hasn't happened yet.

700s have already been to all the places Thameslink service. In fact this week has seen testing of all routes including to Victoria.

 

[Goldfish62]

I was on a 700 again yesterday a noticed that one of the plug sockets had fallen out! It certainly didnt look safe! I have attached a photo.

I can imagine the conversation at Siemens. "Wouldn't have happened if we'd been allowed to fit Grammer seats rather than that cheap Spanish junk."

 

[tsr]

I can imagine the conversation at Siemens. "Wouldn't have happened if we'd been allowed to fit Grammer seats rather than that cheap Spanish junk."

The First Class seats on one or two of them wouldn't be getting visibly scuffed and threadbare after only a few months' service, either... yes 700102, I'm looking at you...

 

[MikePJ]

According to a tweet from Railfuture's East Anglia branch, the DfT have agreed to retrofit tables and wifi to the 700s. Came in the context of a meeting they had with the minister, but has anyone seen any other verification of this? https://twitter.com/RailfutureEA/status/797132450598187009


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[Alteran Ancient]

According to a tweet from Railfuture's East Anglia branch, the DfT have agreed to retrofit tables and wifi to the 700s. Came in the context of a meeting they had with the minister, but has anyone seen any other verification of this? https://twitter.com/RailfutureEA/status/797132450598187009

This is a fact that has been repeated on TL's Twitter account (and Southern's) for quite some time now. Railfuture are quite slow to the bat. Any confirmations on part of the DfT would just be a formality.

 

[MikePJ]

This is a fact that has been repeated on TL's Twitter account (and Southern's) for quite some time now. Railfuture are quite slow to the bat. Any confirmations on part of the DfT would just be a formality.

Ah, thanks. I'd heard it rumoured but not seen it on an official channel.

 

[jon0844]

Railfuture are quite slow to the bat.

Really? The Tweet suggests they singlehandedly sorted things!

Rather like a politician stepping in last minute to claim credit for something done by others?

 

[physics34]

seat back trays.... nothing about any kind of table in the bay seating areas. the triangular style tables as seen in 377/3s would be adequate.

 

[Islineclear3_1]

700008, 700105, 700107, 700108 and 700109 out today

 

[Cletus]

700102 is currently passing through Farringdon, looks to have a shattered (side) window.

 

[SamanthaJ1989]

700008, 700105, 700107, 700108 and 700109 out today

Hmm, I find it rather strange that what with 11 to 12 (IIRC) having seen thier first passenger use(s), that such a modest number are being used.

With the cascades out of TL won't all those fully tested for passenger use have to be used.

I'm most confused

 

[D365]

Does the current day of the week have anything to do with that?

 

[Class377/5]

700102 is currently passing through Farringdon, looks to have a shattered (side) window.

Move to depot for repair.

Hmm, I find it rather strange that what with 11 to 12 (IIRC) having seen thier first passenger use(s), that such a modest number are being used.

With the cascades out of TL won't all those fully tested for passenger use have to be used.

I'm most confused

I'm assuming you mean 12 cars as so far a total of 19 units have seen passenger service. As I explained few pages ago it's not actually that bad.

13 have seen passenger numbers so far (700115 will be in service this week). However it's worth noting 700110 is out the pool as it's the ECTS unit as well as around half the fleet sits down at weekends due to reduced service requirements.

So not not really lagging behind (especially as there are only 15x 12 cars in the UK and we now have 14 commissioned).

The 8 cars are currently a bit more generous as the are only just started out with 6 units for 3 diagrams. However some are being used for driver training.

So all in all, modest numbers are not being used really with the '42x 4 cars' worth of trains being introduced into service in under five months. For reference, all the following smaller fleets took a year to introduce, 23x 377/5 and 29x 387/1. The 27x 387/2 took around six or so months too. So modest is actually untrue in pure numbers of carriages it's rather fast.