My 700 never made it to LBG (18:42) second time this week. Seems to be due 0 recovery in the timetable and the track defect? At balcombe, for 4 days...
London Bridge cannot cope well with multiple late trains as its still only got 75% of the final track works plus more services that it will have when complete so operationally there a robust approach being made to regulating trains and stopping reactionary delays.
Complete nonsense. The main reason I have a season is to avoid having to spend time messing about at the ticket office each day.
Another example of how out of touch with reality you are.
(Meanwhile, as an aside, funny isn't it. Took a down journey out of KX in tonight's evening peak. 2x365, seats to spare. Went from the main trainshed, so no technical reason why couldn't have been 3x365. That's 50% growth catered for going forward before we even think about standing. This is same loading as I have observed on this service throughout the year. And it got to my destination on time, didn't have to sit with my foot on a ledge, had a table, and the doors opened promptly.)
Out of touch? You buy something that entitles regular use, its your decision if you don't use it every day but that doesn't change the fact that what it allows. Rewriting facts to suit your own agenda isn't helping your case.
Funny how you can't see past your own selfish needs today and want to condemn future travellers to crappy travel because its what you want. Sorry but its called public transport and the needs of the many out weight your personal requirements.
Could we see the 8 cars come in on the three bridges runs first.
That's the situation in mid-August 2016 with many passengers on holiday. If passenger level predictions are correct, there will be a marked increase by the time the TL programme is complete in 2019. By 2030, the levels should have completely transcended the total capacity of the current services with conventional stock including extending trains to 12-car wherever possible.
The figures supporting TLP have already been proven to be too low. Does make you think where will TL be by 2050?
What weekend diagrams? There was a one off for Brighton pride and nought else so far
Correct.
(This is a question mainly for
Class 377/5 but others can chime in also
)
What is the max acceleration of these things? I've just seen a video on the 700's pull out the station pretty fast. Will it be 2km/h/s or would it go dangerous (3km/h/s? Sorry, I use the metric system).
Also, what's the deceleration?
I have no ideas but its quick. DC acceleration feels like its on AC.
My spies at Bromley South have informed me that they've started seeing 700s come through in the evening, empty, presumably on testing and/or training for the Sevenoaks - Kentish Town/Bedford routes. Not sure whether they're confusing them for the 387s, but those are already in service (however limited) down here.
On a somewhat unrelated note, it was only a few years ago that I remember Southern testing the 377/6s, running them empty through BMS to do loops around Kent for mileage runs. I found this most amusing, given that they weren't even going to be used in passenger service on those lines!
Thankfully, this isn't the case for the 700s - they will be running down here eventually, and I'll be somewhat glad to see the back of the 319s. Unless, of course, the rumours are true and Southeastern do requisition those 319s for the VIC-ORP routes so the 465s can bolster the Dartford services.
Again, just theory until it's proven.
There been plenty of trips down that way recently. Thing with Kent is there is far more route to test with Bromley services having to be cleared via Denmark Hill and Beckenham Junction. As well as towards Sevenoaks via Orpington and Bat & Ball. Means lots more trips.
Plan is Kent routes after Sutton.
So you decide to belittle me then quote from a document which is now out of date, but which does not disprove what I said. The fact you talk about "profit" shows that you do not know how finances in TfL work.
I will reiterate, TfL has to operate fully commercially from April 2018 as there will no longer be any operating subsidy (it has been cut this year from approx £750m to about £500m. If you don't believe me you can read it in the revised business plan when it's published.
Out of date? Perhaps if you'd have followed my link you'd had seen that the document was dated March 2016. Accusing me of using out of date document is further proof of your lack of knowledge in this area.
How the hell you can claim that a massive profit is being generated when the costs are
greater than the income just shows me you had no clue.
Just because TfL grant is being changed doesn't mean the Overground will magically be profitable. Especially when fares are being frozen. TfL is making the difference up by selling its assets and expertise to generate cash to fill the gaps.
And if you bothered to use some facts in your reply you'd have know that from the current document that this financial report shows that in 2016/17 TfL Rail will generate £541m in income while costing £588 to run. So the next financial year its again losing money. It will likely get more into the positive going forwards if TfL does it right but once again it exposes the lie of massive profits claimed earlier.
And as for feeling belittled, try using facts and not baseless assumptions which the facts as proven in the real documents I have linked to before (and again below so you can't claim you don't know what I'm talking abut) and maybe people might take you seriously rather than ripping your point apart with a health mix of reality and facts.
http://content.tfl.gov.uk/tfl-budget-2016-17-and-business-plan.pdf
Yeah.
Have 700s been cleared through Penge tunnel? I would expect so because although trains pass at speed, it is a straight tunnel.
yeh i heard about the 25, just wondering how Southern will fill the gaps now.
'Southern' is getting 32x 377s from Thameslink while having the Horsham slow route take off it along with 12 car require for the London Bridge to East Grinstead, Littlehampton and Brighton services. At 2tph that roughly 18 coaches per hour saved on the latter three. That's quite a bit.
so guessing they get 377101-136 then...... think thats all of the early batch i think...... (cant remember at what number the spec changed.).
I can't say the exact numbers just yet - but they will consist of both early batch and the latter batch
Remember they're replacing 465s, so any low density units would be of little use...
The numbers chosen are a single batch of numbers (I have no idea of manufacturing batches) that SE wanted.
Surely SE should take some 377/5s instead of the older generation ones which are still SN painted and interior-ed.
At least the Purple 377/5s are closer to SE Blue
They wanted simple DC only units where as Southern needs in part DV units hence this solution.
If they happen as initial published, note the 8 week delay to the consultation start (which strongly hints at "unexpected" surprises!). Checking they can be viably timetabled with NR before consulting is always a good idea
(Remember Jan 15 timetable into LBG in the am peak...)
Delay I believe is double checking everything thoroughly.
LBG is complete and at final capacity on the SE side on 2nd Jan 2018 (i.e. post Xmas 2017 Blockade).
The original plan saw 25 units transferred before Dec '17 to enable all in service for beginning of 2018
Original plan was a min of 25x units and nothing else. The timing was also linked into the 700s taking over certain routes from January 2018 and being linked into Thameslink. For example the Maidstone East 377 services would have gone to 700s and been part of the peak TL service from 4th January 2018. Recent announcements mean that is now up in the air.
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