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TfW new service between Bristol and Cardiff

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This seems pointless duplication, something which I thought GBR was supposed to be very much against? Struggling to see the point of ‘one service per weekday’ running via Parkway, difficult to see much benefit to that other than TFW being able to put some posters up?
The service via parkway is to preserve route knowledge for diversion if the direct chord or Bristol Temple Meads is unavaiable for any reason.

This thread is also related to the services: https://www.railforums.co.uk/thread...gland-train-links-by-welsh-government.302957/
 
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This seems pointless duplication, something which I thought GBR was supposed to be very much against? Struggling to see the point of ‘one service per weekday’ running via Parkway, difficult to see much benefit to that other than TFW being able to put some posters up?
Is it pointless duplication to run more than one train per hour? After all surely everyone can just pile on that?

Incidentally when are First Great Western going to acknowledge on their website the event in 62 days time?
 

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I suspect the mods will want to merge threads, but to repeat what I have said there, these are very much not "pointless duplication".
For one, there is no existing South West Wales to Bristol Temple Meads direct service - so this is new.
And in addition, any extra capacity between Cardiff and Bristol, even if it is is a two car unit every other hour, is still worthwhile. Especially whilst GWR continue to frequently short form the Cardiff-Portsmouth Harbour services.
 
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mmh

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It's just handy that TFW are overflowing with spare units to start new services with. Oh.
 

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I suspect the mods will want to merge threads, but to repeat what I have said there, these are very much not "pointless duplication".
For one, there is no existing South West Wales to Bristol Temple Meads direct service - so this is new.
And in addition, any extra capacity between Cardiff and Bristol, even if it is is a two car unit every other hour, is still worthwhile. Especially whilst GWR continue to frequently short form the Cardiff-Portsmouth Harbour services.
Also especially useful in periods of disruption such as this morning where the GWR 0628, 0657 and 0727 departures from Cardiff were all cancelled even though the disruption was expected to be cleared by 0700. I imagine this could have been due to GWR stock (165/158s stabled near Temple Meads and 800/802s stabled at Stoke Gifford) not making it from Bristol to Wales in order to operate those services - unless they had an excess of stock stabled at Swansea but that doesn't make sense for the Cardiff to Bristol/Portsmouth/Exeter services. Having a second option coming from different depots provides some further resilience compared to the route via a tight change at Bristol Parkway.
 

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Maybe the 158s released from the Cambrian could operate the services?
That completely undoes the point of releasing them from the Cambrian in the first place, which was to get RID of the 90s stock.

Also, they’re promised to GWR apparently.
 

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That completely undoes the point of releasing them from the Cambrian in the first place, which was to get RID of the 90s stock.

Also, they’re promised to GWR apparently.
One might suggest that TfW are hardly in a position to be getting precious about “90s stock”, given their ongoing exploits with brand new efforts!
 

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That completely undoes the point of releasing them from the Cambrian in the first place, which was to get RID of the 90s stock.

Also, they’re promised to GWR apparently.
I think 35 year old trains is better than no train though, but TfW seems to think differently
 

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There are many class 197;s not in service today.

18/51 197[0s
8/26 197;1s

Management incompetence continues on a large scale
That means 51 in service, which is more than the 47-49 planned each day under the current maintenance setup. They were never going to use all 77 in service until the Cambrian changeover and Machynlleth Depot switching to 197s due to capacity constraints at CAF Chester.
 

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This seems pointless duplication, something which I thought GBR was supposed to be very much against? Struggling to see the point of ‘one service per weekday’ running via Parkway, difficult to see much benefit to that other than TFW being able to put some posters up?
GBR may remove some duplication amongst its services when it eventually comes into existence. But TFW won’t be part of GBR so not particularly relevant.
 

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GBR may remove some duplication amongst its services when it eventually comes into existence. But TFW won’t be part of GBR so not particularly relevant.
Assuming it won’t be TfW who govern the availability and use of paths across GBR’s network, GBR policy may well be relevant in such situations one would think?!
 

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This seems pointless duplication, something which I thought GBR was supposed to be very much against?
Think of the parallel of the two hourly Bristol to Oxford service, which everyone seems to welcome. It could also be regarded as pointless duplication, in that the cities are connected with one easy change at Didcot.

Now replace Oxford with "Major towns cities in South and West Wales west of Cardiff". Those areas too will soon benefit from direct trains to the largest city in the region. So why not?
 

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