TfW Class 67+Mk4 sets: trip planning/experiences, diagram updates etc

[MP393]

67017 has been removed from HD06 at Crewe ETD, following yesterdays failure. 67008 is now on that rake and is back over at Crewe ATC.

 

[BillStampy]

HD02 is allocated tomorrow for the Manchester diagram (shows as 67020 on RTT fyi) if I have the time I'll go out and take a ride.

 

[Jacob Porrett]

HD02 is allocated tomorrow for the Manchester diagram (shows as 67020 on RTT fyi) if I have the time I'll go out and take a ride.

First time being back in service after it's crash?

 

[BillStampy]

First time being back in service after it's crash?

Correct. If I'm up to it I'll take a ride from Newport to Cardiff.

 

[Jacob Porrett]

Correct. If I'm up to it I'll take a ride from Newport to Cardiff.

Sounds good. Will be good to have HD02 back with us.

Need to sort out the remaining of HD02/HD08 and get that out at some point in the future.

 

[BillStampy]

Took a ride on HD02 earlier, rode in one of the HD08 coaches (namely coach A), unfortunately the power was out in Coach A but was functioning fine in the rest. Driver said it worked perfectly fine. If there's one thing I say, there is quite a few LNER stickers and branding hiding around the set. The doors have the word "standard" still written in LNER font, the toilet in one of the coaches was still fully LNER. To be honest, it's expected from a train that's just been taken out of storage. The QR codes still need to be added to the backs of the seats in coach A too. I do think it could do with a bit of a clean up on the outside as the outside clearly shows what state it is in after being in storage for so long. 82220 looks lovely in the white livery, though!

 

[BillStampy]

A successful day for HD02!

For those who want to see or ride on it tomorrow, it'll be working 1V33, 1W59 and 1V50 tomorrow with the locomotive on the Cardiff end* (under the assumption the set goes via WBQ*)

 

[sd0733]

A successful day for HD02!

For those who want to see or ride on it tomorrow, it'll be working 1V33, 1W59 and 1V50 tomorrow with the locomotive on the Cardiff end* (under the assumption the set goes via WBQ*)

It wont be. Its been swapped for spare rake HD06 to iron out some minor glitches picked up today.

 

[BillStampy]

It wont be. Its been swapped for spare rake HD06 to iron out some minor glitches picked up today.

Ah, maybe not then. That might be an investigation into the power issues on Coach A earlier and probably a few behind the scenes issues then.

 

[Topological]

At this point the allocations on RTT for 1W11, 1W13 and 1W61 are not showing. 1W11 and 1W61 are on the same diagram so presumably remain 197s until HD02 is considered ok to rejoin the fleet properly. 1W13 is less clear given all the allocations to the other MK4 slots to Manchester are all showing as MK4.

 

[MP393]

At this point the allocations on RTT for 1W11, 1W13 and 1W61 are not showing. 1W11 and 1W61 are on the same diagram so presumably remain 197s until HD02 is considered ok to rejoin the fleet properly. 1W13 is less clear given all the allocations to the other MK4 slots to Manchester are all showing as MK4.

Yes 1W11 & 1W61 remain as 197 booked for the time being, the diagram is not reverting back to Mk4 just yet.

HD04 is planned for 1W13, it’s always been the case that the Crewe diagrams are allocated very early, sometimes early evening of the night before and the Canton ones during the night. Not sure on the exact reasoning but suspect it’s just the method in which control input the allocations into the relevant sytems.

 

[Jez]

It seems sensible to keep booking one diagram for a 197. They need to make sure they can cover 4 diagrams properly before attempting the 5th diagram again.

I notice that allocations for Canton are always the last to appear. Not all of these are relevant for MK4's of course but Holyhead, Chester, Crewe and Carmarthen often appear the evening before on RTT.

 

[FrodshamJnct]

Current plan for tomorrow:

D1 - 67025 Set HD03 (Loco MAN end)

1V91 05.27 Holyhead - Cardiff 09.58
1W57 10.53 Cardiff - Manchester 14.13
1V46 14.30 Manchester - Cardiff 17.44
1W65 18.53 Cardiff - Manchester 22.21

*Set Turns Via WBQ*
(5K65 ECS 22.30 MAN - CRE CS 23.41)

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D2 - *UNIT*

1W11 04.32 Cardiff - Manchester 08.13
1V37 08.30 Manchester - Cardiff 11.37
1W61 14.50 Cardiff - Manchester 18.13
1V62 18.30 Manchester - Cardiff 21.54

——————————————————————
D3 - 67029 Set HD04 (Loco MAN end)

(5W13 ECS 04.07 CDF CS - SWA 05.21)

1W13 05.43 Swansea - Manchester 10.13
1V39 10.30 Manchester - Cardiff 13.52
1W96 17.22 Cardiff - Holyhead 22.06

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D4 - 67010 Set HD07 (Loco MAN end)

1V31 05.13 Crewe - Cardiff 07.50
1W55 08.53 Cardiff - Manchester 12.13
1V42 12.30 Manchester - Cardiff 15.44
1W63 16.53 Cardiff - Manchester 20.15

*Via Styal*
(5K70 ECS 20.24 MAN - CRE CS 21.09)

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D5 - 67008 Set HD06 (Loco CDF end)

*After Set Turns Via WBQ*
(5V33 ECS 05.12 CRE CS - MAN 06.23)

1V33 06.27 Manchester - Cardiff 09.51
1W59 12.53 Cardiff - Manchester 16.13
1V50 16.30 Manchester - Cardiff 19.44

67005 should move HD01 to Crewe EMD wheel lathe and bring HD05 back.

67022 light engine to Crewe EMD.

 

[Steveswan10]

Looks 67010 has failed at Wem on 1V31 with engine issues

 

[37052 xb mr]

Unit on 1W11 pine at Shrewsbury

67008 Set HD06 on 1V33 going via Chester & Wrexham

 

[Topological]

Unit on 1W11 pine at Shrewsbury

67008 Set HD06 on 1V33 going via Chester & Wrexham

Are they using the unit from 1W11 to run south towards Cardiff in lieu of 1V31? Seems a shame as 1W11 was on time arriving at Shrewsbury.

Get more people joining me on 1W12 (which is itself 25 minutes late having been 25 late leaving Cardiff due to a points failure)

 

[MP393]

Are they using the unit from 1W11 to run south towards Cardiff in lieu of 1V31? Seems a shame as 1W11 was on time arriving at Shrewsbury.

Get more people joining me on 1W12 (which is itself 25 minutes late having been 25 late leaving Cardiff due to a points failure)

1W11 has been cancelled at Shrewsbury as no onward crew for it. They arrive from Crewe on a service which has now had to divert via Wrexham to get around the failure. As Shrewsbury drivers don’t sign Cardiff, struggle to use any spares as they’d have to come from Crewe. (Either via taxi or also via Wrexham around the failed train)

 

[37052 xb mr]

67005 1Z99 just left Crewe Electric depot

 

[Topological]

1W11 has been cancelled at Shrewsbury as no onward crew for it. They arrive from Crewe on a service which has now had to divert via Wrexham to get around the failure. As Shrewsbury drivers don’t sign Cardiff, struggle to use any spares as they’d have to come from Crewe. (Either via taxi or also via Wrexham around the failed train)

Thank you for the explanation.

So possibly the same is about to happen to 1W12, though from memory this train usually changes crew at Crewe (though obviously could change at Crewe and Shrewsbury).

 

[Topological]

Update: 08:28

Just passed the failed 1V31 with the second 67 on the front. So 1Z99 has attached.

 

[Welshguy1048]

@sd0733
@37052 xb mr
@MP393
@BillStampy

Morning

Will 1W96 tonight be loco or DVT leading from Chester to Holyhead please ?

Thank you

Dave

 

[MP393]

@sd0733
@37052 xb mr
@MP393
@BillStampy

Morning

Will 1W96 tonight be loco or DVT leading from Chester to Holyhead please ?

Thank you

Dave

If no other swaps happen because of this mornings disruption it should be HD04 + 67029, DVT Leading Chester - Holyhead.

 

[Welshguy1048]

If no other swaps happen because of this mornings disruption it should be HD04 + 67029, DVT Leading Chester - Holyhead.

@MP393

Thank you

Appreciate all your help

Dave

 

[craigybagel]

1W11 has been cancelled at Shrewsbury as no onward crew for it. They arrive from Crewe on a service which has now had to divert via Wrexham to get around the failure. As Shrewsbury drivers don’t sign Cardiff, struggle to use any spares as they’d have to come from Crewe. (Either via taxi or also via Wrexham around the failed train)

It's a good thing 1W11 was a unit today. If it had been MKIVs as booked it would have been a lot harder to move it out the way once it got to Shrewsbury

Thank you for the explanation.

So possibly the same is about to happen to 1W12, though from memory this train usually changes crew at Crewe (though obviously could change at Crewe and Shrewsbury).

1W12 doesn't change driver till Crewe.

 

[Topological]

It's a good thing 1W11 was a unit today. If it had been MKIVs as booked it would have been a lot harder to move it out the way once it got to Shrewsbury

1W12 doesn't change driver till Crewe.

Thank you, I didn't think 1W12 changed at Shrewsbury but it usually uses Platform 3 so that's the opposite side of the train from my seat. Crewe Platform 6 is on the left. I felt like it was a different person doing the announcements between Shrewsbury and Crewe this morning. He was very apologetic about the various messes but referred to "a points failure on the earlier part of the journey" rather than the "points failure delaying departure from Cardiff" that the announcements south of Shrewsbury referred to.

Needless to say the 1W12 crew were doing a good job of reassuring passengers, presumably some of whom had been on 1W11.

 

[MP393]

Thank you, I didn't think 1W12 changed at Shrewsbury but it usually uses Platform 3 so that's the opposite side of the train from my seat. Crewe Platform 6 is on the left. I felt like it was a different person doing the announcements between Shrewsbury and Crewe this morning. He was very apologetic about the various messes but referred to "a points failure on the earlier part of the journey" rather than the "points failure delaying departure from Cardiff" that the announcements south of Shrewsbury referred to.

Needless to say the 1W12 crew were doing a good job of reassuring passengers, presumably some of whom had been on 1W11.

Normally W12 changes guard at Shrewsbury, and driver at Crewe. Though it definitely can’t use platform 3 at Shrewsbury as you can’t access the Crewe line from there! Believe today there was then an extra train-crew change at Crewe just because of displacement.

1V37 was started at Crewe at 09:10 with units of a cancelled service, 197024 & 197018.

 

[craigybagel]

Normally W12 changes guard at Shrewsbury, and driver at Crewe. Though it definitely can’t use platform 3 at Shrewsbury as you can’t access the Crewe line from there! Believe today there was then an extra train-crew change at Crewe just because of displacement.

1V37 was started at Crewe at 09:10 with units of a cancelled service, 197024 & 197018.

Guard booked to change at Shrewsbury, driver at Crewe. A spare guard covered the Shrewsbury Crewe leg owing to the disruption. In general it's easier on the guards side to get things covered as Shrewsbury guards sign MKIVs and the route to Cardiff, whilst the drivers there don't sign either.

Platform 4 is the only platform Cardiff - Manchester trains can use at Shrewsbury, as it's the only signalled access from the Hereford direction towards the Crewe line. If 1W11 had been MK4s, it would have had to have run into platform 4 anyway even if it was known at that point it was terminating at Shrewsbury. They aren't cleared for the bays or platform 3. It would then require any subsequent services running towards Crewe to shunt - likely putting an even longer delay on 1W12.

 

[Topological]

Normally W12 changes guard at Shrewsbury, and driver at Crewe. Though it definitely can’t use platform 3 at Shrewsbury as you can’t access the Crewe line from there! Believe today there was then an extra train-crew change at Crewe just because of displacement.

1V37 was started at Crewe at 09:10 with units of a cancelled service, 197024 & 197018.

Guard booked to change at both Shrewsbury and Crewe, driver just at Crewe. The change at Crewe is required as neither the driver nor guard who bring it into there are from depots that sign Manchester.

Platform 4 is the only platform Cardiff - Manchester trains can use at Shrewsbury, as it's the only signalled access from the Hereford direction towards the Crewe line. If 1W11 had been MK4s, it would have had to have run into platform 4 anyway even if it was known at that point it was terminating at Shrewsbury. They aren't cleared for the bays or platform 3. It would then require any subsequent services running towards Crewe to shunt - likely putting an even longer delay on 1W12.

Yes, sorry, cannot count. 7 is southbound and there are two bays at the south. I think it was 1W11 terminating in 4 that had confused my mind into thinking 4 was a bay.

I went on the 09:09 to Edinburgh from Crewe and was surprised when it was announced that there was a 09:10. Impressive that they found the units given that would have been the southbound working of the 1W11 stock on a normal day. I couldn't work out whether they had started the 09:10 at Crewe, or whether that pair had come from somewhere else. Not just 1 unit either, but 2.

 

[Turbo004]

Yes, sorry, cannot count. 7 is southbound and there are two bays at the south. I think it was 1W11 terminating in 4 that had confused my mind into thinking 4 was a bay.

I went on the 09:09 to Edinburgh from Crewe and was surprised when it was announced that there was a 09:10. Impressive that they found the units given that would have been the southbound working of the 1W11 stock on a normal day. I couldn't work out whether they had started the 09:10 at Crewe, or whether that pair had come from somewhere else. Not just 1 unit either, but 2.

The two 197's for the 09.10 Crewe - Cardiff were formed from stabled stock in Crewe Station from cancelled services. I think they were from the cancelled 06.40 Crewe - Shrewsbury service. They were stabled in Platform 8. However they needed to be shunted from here to allow the 08.19 Crewe - Shrewsbury to arrive. The two 197's therefore were shunted from Platform 8 to the Down Refuge Siding which is alongside the Crewe - Stafford mainline by Crewe Arriva Traincare. Finally the 2 197's were then shunted back into the station for the 09.10 Crewe - Cardiff.

 

[BillStampy]

Looks 67010 has failed at Wem on 1V31 with engine issues

AFAIK it had some issues the other day with reports of blue smoke, today it's apparently just gone bang and spilled oil all over the engine room during the failure. Think that's another loco gone for a while!