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Looks like thats now a no! The STPs have now changed to a 197 again for next week too.
Might as well permanently make it a 197 at this rate! Would be great if it does return to a Mk4 the following week... but if not, I honestly won't be surprised. :s
 

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Might as well permanently make it a 197 at this rate! Would be great if it does return to a Mk4 the following week... but if not, I honestly won't be surprised. :s
Whilst it is a very quiet service for the first couple of hours, 1W11 needs all the capacity it can get at the Manchester end. Hopefully for those using it the holidays are making it quieter.

I am driving more now while the weather is good. Hopefully, there will be enough Mk4s by the time the weather turns again. If not, then splashing along the M50/M5/M6 it is.

(I would be happier still with the extra standard class capacity of a 5-car 197 on 1W11, but that is not happening)
 

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Might as well permanently make it a 197 at this rate! Would be great if it does return to a Mk4 the following week... but if not, I honestly won't be surprised. :s
Tomorrow theres a spare rake on Canton. Despite being booked 197, it potentially may start being a Mk4 again ad-hoc now things are getting back to normal.
 

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Tomorrow theres a spare rake on Canton. Despite being booked 197, it potentially may start being a Mk4 again ad-hoc now things are getting back to normal.
They opened the Down Main I believe yesterday. Went up on the relief and when I returned that evening, we went on the Down Main. So things are slowly returning to normal

Hopefully not long until the Up Main reopens too.
 

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1V91 should resume back on the full route and with the Mk4 (67022+HD06) tomorrow.
Only going as far as Chester now, which 197117 is currently allocated to. The 2nd Mk4 at Canton should pick up the normal diagram on 1W57, meaning 1W11's diagram will be a 197 tomorrow.
 

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Only going as far as Chester now, which 197117 is currently allocated to. The 2nd Mk4 at Canton should pick up the normal diagram on 1W57, meaning 1W11's diagram will be a 197 tomorrow.
The only way 1W11's diagram could be a Mk4 is if the following amendments happen to the diagrams tomorrow, which is very unlikely:
  • 1V33's diagram then goes on to do 1W57/1V46/1W65 vice 1W61/1V62 due to 1V91's diagram terminating at Chester.
  • 1W13's diagram then goes on to do 1W61/1V62 vice 1W97 which is starting at Shrewsbury.
 

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Only going as far as Chester now, which 197117 is currently allocated to. The 2nd Mk4 at Canton should pick up the normal diagram on 1W57, meaning 1W11's diagram will be a 197 tomorrow.
Yes, all seems to have slipped back. There was a brief time when V91 was allocated to HD06 but dissapeared again. Yes, the second set wont do W11 now.
Looks like it will be Monday now for a return to normality.
 

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Been a tad chaos today, to say the least...

• 67017+HD03 on 1V39 caped due to a problem with the train – 5V39 Manchester Piccadilly–Crewe C.S. as a result.

• 67025+HD02 had a fatality on 1W57 between Newport (South Wales) and Cwmbran – pined beyond Hereford – 5W57 Hereford–Cardiff Canton Sidings as a result.

• 197110 covering 1W61/1V62 with 197102 as far as Shrewsbury on 1W61, 1W61 terminating/1V62 starting at Wilmslow due to late running.

• 197006 covering 1W65, starting late from Newport (South Wales).
 
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Been a tad chaos today, to say the least...

• 67017+HD03 on 1V39 caped due to a problem with the train – 5V39 Manchester Piccadilly–Crewe C.S. as a result.

• 67025+HD02 had a fatality on 1W57 between Newport (South Wales) and Cwmbran – pined beyond Hereford – 5W57 Hereford–Cardiff Canton Sidings as a result.

• 197110 covering 1W61/1V62 with 197102 as far as Shrewsbury on 1W61, 1W61 terminating/1V62 starting at Wilmslow due to late running.

• 197006 covering 1W65, starting late from Newport (South Wales).
017 HD03 Speedo fault on DVT
Set via Warrington so loco
Could lead
 

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Just noticed on RTT that 67008+HD04 is terminating at Shrewsbury on 1V33, subsequently going empty to Cardiff as 5V33 as a result. 1W57 is pined beyond Shrewsbury, subsequently going empty to Crewe as 5W57 to take 1Z57 forward as a result. Presumably this is due to a guard shortage.

EDIT: 1W57 has been fully reinstated.
 
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Also, does anyone know if the Mk4s are expected to run next week, despite the high forecasted temperatures, particularly on Wednesday and Thursday? Thanks in advance.
 

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Also, does anyone know if the Mk4s are expected to run next week, despite the high forecasted temperatures, particularly on Wednesday and Thursday? Thanks in advance.
No plans to cut them as it stands, likely just the mitigations of last time, reduced catering and Thunderbird stabled at Hereford.

Theres a bit of a queue for wheel lathes this week so HD01/04/07 are all awaiting tyre turns and HD02 still quarantined for checks it does restrict things somewhat to start with.
 
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Saw / rode on these yesterday either at Piccadilly or Stockport.
12.30 Piccadilly to Stockport with 67010 and DVT 82200
14.01 Stockport to Piccadilly with 67008 and DVT 82201
16.30 Piccadilly to Stockport with 67017 and DVT 82216
18.01 Stockport to Piccadilly with just 197106
Finally managed to track down 67017 as that has been eluding me.
Overall they were reasonably comfortable. Air con was ok, chilled but not too cold and the only one that was crowded was the 197 (says it all)
Does anyone know whether it is likely that 67014 or 67016 will actually be used on one of the normal services, or are these effectively spare locomotives
 

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Saw / rode on these yesterday either at Piccadilly or Stockport.
12.30 Piccadilly to Stockport with 67010 and DVT 82200
14.01 Stockport to Piccadilly with 67008 and DVT 82201
16.30 Piccadilly to Stockport with 67017 and DVT 82216
18.01 Stockport to Piccadilly with just 197106
Finally managed to track down 67017 as that has been eluding me.
Overall they were reasonably comfortable. Air con was ok, chilled but not too cold and the only one that was crowded was the 197 (says it all)
Does anyone know whether it is likely that 67014 or 67016 will actually be used on one of the normal services, or are these effectively spare locomotives
014 is stored since last December waiting parts, following a C exam.

016 is currently on maintenance
Hasn’t worked a passenger service
This year, due to a fuel tank issue.
 

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Saw / rode on these yesterday either at Piccadilly or Stockport.
12.30 Piccadilly to Stockport with 67010 and DVT 82200
14.01 Stockport to Piccadilly with 67008 and DVT 82201
16.30 Piccadilly to Stockport with 67017 and DVT 82216
18.01 Stockport to Piccadilly with just 197106
Finally managed to track down 67017 as that has been eluding me.
Overall they were reasonably comfortable. Air con was ok, chilled but not too cold and the only one that was crowded was the 197 (says it all)
Does anyone know whether it is likely that 67014 or 67016 will actually be used on one of the normal services, or are these effectively spare locomotives
At the moment, 67016 can’t run on a full tank without leaking, so until that’s sorted it won’t be used on passenger services – only rescue moves. As for 67014, I’ve no idea when it’ll return to passenger work. I’m sure it’ll come back at some point, but when that’ll be, I’m not sure.

Also, whilst I'm at it... does anyone have an idea when 67029 will return? I note its been at Toton since June receiving repairs...
 

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Which sets are out tomorrow, and which diagrams are getting subbed tomorrow – when are 5 diagrams expected again? TIA.
W11 & V31 units
015 set 5 V33
017 set 3 W13
022 set 6 V91

Sets can only be done one at a time
HD01 going over from ATC tomorrow
Set 4 & 7 need doing
Set 2 Cardiff post incident checks
 

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