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zcarrey

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Hi guys, I hope all is well.
I've been able to get to the assessment stage for a Train operator position and I was hoping to hear from people who wish to share what their application/assessment process was like.
I'm a little nervous so any tips would be much appreciated!

Thank you so much
 
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Given this is likely to be an internal role, you may be best to speak with your colleagues! They’ll be the ones who have been through the assessment process. Are any of the management team approachable, you may find it worthwhile asking them for some top tips :)
 

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AC1 (1st assessment)
1 - Scaat test
2 - Understanding information test
3 - Following information test
4 - Error identification test

You’ll receive practise material in advance
 

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Given this is likely to be an internal role, you may be best to speak with your colleagues! They’ll be the ones who have been through the assessment process. Are any of the management team approachable, you may find it worthwhile asking them for some top tips :)
Thank you! I have and gotten some good tips, I was hoping to maximise on that a bit. I'm slightly nervous about it.

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AC1 (1st assessment)
1 - Scaat test
2 - Understanding information test
3 - Following information test
4 - Error identification test

You’ll receive practise material in advance
Thanks! I got the material and prepping through, have you done the test yourself? if so what was your experience like?
 

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Hey, I also been invited for the assessment on this campaign. I will be following this thread as it will be interesting to hear from others.

I am also trying to find out more information on the lines that are ATC operated. This is not my preferred line, and I understand we don't get to choose initially.

Hopefully any current or ex train operator who has experience on these lines can shed light on exactly how much of it all is actually automated.

Thanks
 

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Hopefully any current or ex train operator who has experience on these lines can shed light on exactly how much of it all is actually automated.
Central: ATO
Circle: ATO
Jubilee: ATO
Northern: ATO
Hammersmith & City: ATO
Victoria: ATO
District: ATO Barons Court/Fulham Bdwy/Olympia-Upminster/Edgware Road
Metropolitan: ATO Finchley Road-Aldgate.
Bakerloo/Piccadilly/Waterloo & City: manual
 

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I know the Victoria Line is ATO all the time, (unless there is some sort of failure). Some of the other ATO lines may have the option of manual driving on certain sections between certain times. I'm not 100%, but believe the above ground sections of the Central Line in the off-peak *may* be one example.

The Waterloo & City Line is provided with Train Operators from Leytonstone train crew depot on the Central Line.
 

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Thanks for the reply,

Would love to hear from a driver on an ATO line.

Would like to know if an ATO operator is an enjoyable / fulfilling position, compared to a manual driver?

Thanks
 

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I know the Victoria Line is ATO all the time, (unless there is some sort of failure).
Preservation of manual driving skills
In order to preserve manual driving skills, you are permitted to drive in manual mode on Sundays from 0200 until 1000; then from 2100 until close of traffic at the locations below:
Seven Sisters-Walthamstow northbound
 

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@Dstock7080
Thankyou for that info, I was not aware of that. It does seem very limited perhaps, compared to other lines though.
 

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These are tips you might already have heard from other people, but for error identification, work from right to left on each question as each button (or signal lever or whatever it is) can be overridden by a following one in the sequence.

For following and understating information, I was advised to read the whole passage first before looking at the questions, but on the day I ignored that. For understanding information especially, I found it hard to focus on the passages due to how technical they are, so I read the questions and then went and picked out key words which worked for me, managed to finish the majority of the questions in the time given.

For the SCAAT tests, it's all about practice, practice, practice. I think it's what most people fail on (I wasn't successful until my third time of trying). Don't rely on only the practice material that's in the email, get some printed off at work if you can, get a manager or someone at home to time you doing them. If you cross a symbol out in error and realise, don't waste time by going back to correct it, just carry on (I don't know if it's true but I was told that they don't deduct marks if you cross a symbol you shouldn't have, but they do deduct if you miss one of the symbols that you're looking for).

Thanks for the reply,

Would love to hear from a driver on an ATO line.

Would like to know if an ATO operator is an enjoyable / fulfilling position, compared to a manual driver?

Thanks
Hi, I was successful in the 2023 recruitment campaign and have been driving since the start of this year, after doing the classroom training towards the end of last year. Initially I was set on wanting a manual line, but ended up on the Northern (at the closest possible depot to where I live) and although I've not been driving for that long compared to the majority, I'm still loving it. I would say travel time is a more important factor and really makes a difference to me, as the earliest starts and latest finishes are more extreme than when I was working on stations in zone 1, and I've had a lot of shifts that are one extreme or the other.

You have to do a certain number of trips in both ATO and manual on each section of line whilst in training. Once you're passed out, you'll get to do some manual driving if you're bringing a train out of a depot or putting it away, which happens on a fair number of duties as you have trains that are just brought into service for peak periods as well as those that are out all day, and in open sections there are sometimes workers by the side of the track (clearing lineside vegetation, or taking a possession in a depot etc) and in these instances something called 'auto not permitted' (ANP) is put in place which forces you to drive manually to ensure vigilance.

One positive about being an ATO driver is that I don't have the worry about having a SPAD.

If you're set on being on a manual line, you do get the opportunity to trade depots within your training class, and there are bound to be people allocated to the Piccadilly. In my class of 10 people, four of them were going to the Picc.
 

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Fantastic information Jack. Thanks for the insight. I guess at the end of the day you just want the depot you live closest too.

Morden is my closest depot too, are you able to tell me if that reveal your depot to you before you start training?

For example, do you get offered the training position and at the same time you are given your depot?

Or do you start training and some line down the training you are given your depot ?

I understand you can't choose, but if you are given the absolute furthest depot from your home I'm hoping this is done before training starts to give you a chance to withdraw.

Are Morden currently in need of new drivers ?
 

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Fantastic information Jack. Thanks for the insight. I guess at the end of the day you just want the depot you live closest too.

Morden is my closest depot too, are you able to tell me if that reveal your depot to you before you start training?

For example, do you get offered the training position and at the same time you are given your depot?

Or do you start training and some line down the training you are given your depot ?

I understand you can't choose, but if you are given the absolute furthest depot from your home I'm hoping this is done before training starts to give you a chance to withdraw.

Are Morden currently in need of new drivers ?
You would get your depot on the first day of training at Ashfield House. You have the ability to swap depots with others in your training group for the first few days but after that you're tied in to that depot for at least 24 months from when you pass out. They will try to get a depot closest to where you live but this is not always possible as some depots (especially East end ones) have years long waiting list and TFL need to fill a vacancy at the end of the day.

You're able to nominate two depots which you would be able to move to after 24 months (or 18 months if you're top of the waiting list) and there is a vacancy at that depot.

There has been new drivers going to Morden but the depots most in need of drivers are the Piccadilly line depots especially with the new stock coming in next year.
 

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There is a very interesting YouTube channel run by one of the Pic line drivers - well worth a look if you are interested in what's involved in the day to day life of a driver.

Search for "Dale Charman Travels"
 

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I'm assuming you have applied for a London Underground train operator position, no such thing as a TFL train operator.

As this is an internal role, only for internal applicants, I would suggest asking these questions on our internal message board platform (Viva Engage) where there are literally current train ops offering to help those who have applied, rather than on an external public forum...
 

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Fantastic information Jack. Thanks for the insight. I guess at the end of the day you just want the depot you live closest too.

Morden is my closest depot too, are you able to tell me if that reveal your depot to you before you start training?

For example, do you get offered the training position and at the same time you are given your depot?

Or do you start training and some line down the training you are given your depot ?

I understand you can't choose, but if you are given the absolute furthest depot from your home I'm hoping this is done before training starts to give you a chance to withdraw.

Are Morden currently in need of new drivers ?
In my training group of 10, two got allocated to Morden and it does seem to be a depot that constantly has a couple of trainees on the go right now.

The odd person does withdraw from the training if they're finding the role isn't for them, but the people who allocate depots to new trainees do look at addresses and try to match up to an extent (of course anyone that lives East isn't going to get Barking, North Greenwich, Stratford etc, and whilst there might be some depot + trainee combinations that fit well, they'll always be left with some where there's no ideal way to match up)

I think the Northern is a good line to work on, some people might not like how much of the time is spent in tunnels but I like that the various branches provide some variety to the duties.
 

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Thanks again for the information,

Lastly does any one have a copy of a rooster?

I just want to see how many weekends is typical.
 

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Thanks again for the information,

Lastly does any one have a copy of a rooster?

I just want to see how many weekends is typical.
TfL now seem to exempt depot Duty Books from FOI, but they haven't always.


Here is a link to some old ones from 2013. If you scroll down that page, you can find a Duty Book for Upminster. In there you will see as below, where you can get an idea of the amount of weekends. I have no idea if it's the same amount, but can't imagine it's changed that much.

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You should be able to find copies of rosters and duty books for all depots on Sharepoint. Search something like 'duty schedules', that works for me.

Saturday and Sunday duties tend to be nearer the maximum duty length, so that they need less drivers working, and also they'll have less trains as it's off-peak (the downside being that when you are working a weekend, you're more likely to be working 8 hours).
 

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You should be able to find copies of rosters and duty books for all depots on Sharepoint. Search something like 'duty schedules', that works for me.
Lol, I forgot they were internal. Yeah, Establishment Planning - Schedules on Sharepoint is where they are.
also they'll have less trains as it's off-peak
Saturday afternoons (on the Pic at least) surprisingly has more trains out than during the weekdays - not sure if that requires more operators though. Certainly those weekend duties can feel like you've earnt your money by the end of them.
Screenshot_2024-08-17-08-14-26-37_e2d5b3f32b79de1d45acd1fad96fbb0f.jpg
(imaging showing the snapshot of trains in service at various times each day.)
 

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These are tips you might already have heard from other people, but for error identification, work from right to left on each question as each button (or signal lever or whatever it is) can be overridden by a following one in the sequence.

For following and understating information, I was advised to read the whole passage first before looking at the questions, but on the day I ignored that. For understanding information especially, I found it hard to focus on the passages due to how technical they are, so I read the questions and then went and picked out key words which worked for me, managed to finish the majority of the questions in the time given.

For the SCAAT tests, it's all about practice, practice, practice. I think it's what most people fail on (I wasn't successful until my third time of trying). Don't rely on only the practice material that's in the email, get some printed off at work if you can, get a manager or someone at home to time you doing them. If you cross a symbol out in error and realise, don't waste time by going back to correct it, just carry on (I don't know if it's true but I was told that they don't deduct marks if you cross a symbol you shouldn't have, but they do deduct if you miss one of the symbols that you're looking for).


Hi, I was successful in the 2023 recruitment campaign and have been driving since the start of this year, after doing the classroom training towards the end of last year. Initially I was set on wanting a manual line, but ended up on the Northern (at the closest possible depot to where I live) and although I've not been driving for that long compared to the majority, I'm still loving it. I would say travel time is a more important factor and really makes a difference to me, as the earliest starts and latest finishes are more extreme than when I was working on stations in zone 1, and I've had a lot of shifts that are one extreme or the other.

You have to do a certain number of trips in both ATO and manual on each section of line whilst in training. Once you're passed out, you'll get to do some manual driving if you're bringing a train out of a depot or putting it away, which happens on a fair number of duties as you have trains that are just brought into service for peak periods as well as those that are out all day, and in open sections there are sometimes workers by the side of the track (clearing lineside vegetation, or taking a possession in a depot etc) and in these instances something called 'auto not permitted' (ANP) is put in place which forces you to drive manually to ensure vigilance.

One positive about being an ATO driver is that I don't have the worry about having a SPAD.

If you're set on being on a manual line, you do get the opportunity to trade depots within your training class, and there are bound to be people allocated to the Piccadilly. In my class of 10 people, four of them were going to the Picc.
Thank you so much for this info! I am struggling with finding more practice material for the scaat test, whilst I have used the provided preparation material (and continue to do so)....I'm starting to think I have memorised what I am looking for and I'm hoping to challenge myself further....are there any other similar aptitude tests you could recommend?

Kind regards!
 

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Thank you so much for this info! I am struggling with finding more practice material for the scaat test, whilst I have used the provided preparation material (and continue to do so)....I'm starting to think I have memorised what I am looking for and I'm hoping to challenge myself further....are there any other similar aptitude tests you could recommend?

Kind regards!
This forum has a small program you can download that generates SCAAT (the so called dot test is not exactly the same as the LU tests, but the principles are exactly the same).

Edit: Here is the thread.
 
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Just received an email saying successfull and now onto AC2 stage. Does anyone know if it's interview first or radios? And also how are the scenarios for the interview?
 

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Just received an email saying successfull and now onto AC2 stage. Does anyone know if it's interview first or radios? And also how are the scenarios for the interview?
I passed the AC1 too and literally came back to ask the same question! 1 more stage to go guy, please help XD
 

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I failed mine, I'm pretty gutted as I thought I did pretty well. Hope I can take on the feedback when I get it and try again next year. Congratulations to those who passed.
 

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Hi all! Anyone have any idea of what to expect for the AC2 for Train ops? any scenarios you could share or tips?! I still haven't received info just yet beyond passing but I want to prepare as much as I can and any help would be greatly appreciated!
 

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Hi all! Anyone have any idea of what to expect for the AC2 for Train ops? any scenarios you could share or tips?! I still haven't received info just yet beyond passing but I want to prepare as much as I can and any help would be greatly appreciated!
Someone I know that's about to do their one told me they're releasing dates but due to the cyber attack it will take a while for it to filter through so I'd say be patient for the tests to come through.
 

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Just received an email saying successfull and now onto AC2 stage. Does anyone know if it's interview first or radios? And also how are the scenarios for the interview?
Hi Shezu, have you done the ac2 yet? if so, would I be able to DM you (pretty please!!)?
 
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