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S0900

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Tfl letter written highly likely we court proceedings in your case because in underground officer stopped me with blocked card in 16 feb 2026. I replied verification letter, admit my mistake, apology and never happen again. Thay send another letter and you card had blocked from aug 2025. Their is hundreds of pounds you owe tfl. We are highly likely court proceedings. And I also send email that willingness to pay all unpaid fair and administration cost. So what chanches thay proceedings with tfl bylaws in this case.
 
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TFL prosecute people in the vast majority of cases.

Would you be able to upload correspondance between you and TFL with personal details redacted?

It is possible you would be able to enlist the help of a solicitor, who may be able to help avoid court if you were desperate to do so, but would come at a cost.
 

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Tfl send me this letter. Mostly tfl proceaquate with tfl bylaws. It is right? Not use regulations and railway act 1889. In this mostly which law prefer for proceaquate
 

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It is possible you would be able to enlist the help of a solicitor, who may be able to help avoid court if you were desperate to do so, but would come at a cost.
I don't think there would be more than the very slimmest of chances of a solicitor being able to avoid a prosecution. The usage suggested above cannot be seen as anything other than very deliberate fare evasion.
 

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I don't think there would be more than the very slimmest of chances of a solicitor being able to avoid a prosecution. The usage suggested above cannot be seen as anything other than very deliberate fare evasion.
Is this the famous ‘enter the system through an out barrier’ routine?
 

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S0900

something I don't understand....if your card (presumably a bank card) was blocked, then how were you able to carry on using it?
 

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I don't think there would be more than the very slimmest of chances of a solicitor being able to avoid a prosecution. The usage suggested above cannot be seen as anything other than very deliberate fare evasion.
Which if I may add would very likely have continued taking place if they had not been stopped.
I am pretty sure TFL will want their 100s of pounds avoided back and they only way they can achieve this is by a prosecution
 

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It is possible that the OP was the subject of a targeted interception. TfL may have had details of their multiple "exits" from their regular start station(s), and multiple exits from their finish station(s) at regular times, may have used CCTV to help them identify them to meet them on the 16 February. The OP can expect the prosecution to proceed, I think.
 

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Tfl prosecute with tfl bylaws or regulations of railway act,1889 out of this two which more chances?
It depends on the nature of how you were stopped, but usually TfL bylaws AIUI.
 

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Tfl prosecute with tfl bylaws or regulations of railway act,1889 out of this two which more chances?
People will be able to answer you as above, but it's unlikely to make a difference to the outcome. It seems an odd question to ask, is this coming from ChatGPT or similar?

What people really need to be able to help you is more details of what you were doing, and we've seen it all before on here so nothing will be a surprise. If you have been using a card to enter a station using the exit barriers this is well detailed on social media and also alluded to on the TV show "fare dodgers at war with the law" so it's not new to anyone.
 

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People will be able to answer you as above, but it's unlikely to make a difference to the outcome. It seems an odd question to ask, is this coming from ChatGPT or similar?

What people really need to be able to help you is more details of what you were doing, and we've seen it all before on here so nothing will be a surprise. If you have been using a card to enter a station using the exit barriers this is well detailed on social media and also alluded to on the TV show "fare dodgers at war with the law" so it's not new to anyone.
I from chat gpt

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People will be able to answer you as above, but it's unlikely to make a difference to the outcome. It seems an odd question to ask, is this coming from ChatGPT or similar?

What people really need to be able to help you is more details of what you were doing, and we've seen it all before on here so nothing will be a surprise. If you have been using a card to enter a station using the exit barriers this is well detailed on social media and also alluded to on the TV show "fare dodgers at war with the law" so it's not new to anyone.
Yes it's from chat gpt

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I talked with monak solicitor and thay said tfl prosecute in this case tfl bylaws
 

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Firstly, confirm you are (comfortably) over 18.

Secondly, if you were travelling with a blocked card, how were you doing this for so long? Were you doing something that anyone would see as dodging paying your fare? Or in other words, is there no excuse - you knew you weren't paying properly and anyway who watched you would see that?

When people co-operate, TfL normally prosecutes for just one sample offence - on the day you were caught, for which they normally have clear evidence that cannot reasonably be disputed. This means you only get convicted of one simple byelaw offence. You're then expected to admit to a list of other occasions when you did something similar - they provide a list for you to check through and agree to or adjust - and the court takes this into account and orders you to pay the fares owed for all those journeys alongside the fine etc. But importantly for you, this way, you only end up with one conviction for a minor offence instead of tens or hundreds of separate convictions, or a conviction for fraud.
 

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Firstly, confirm you are (comfortably) over 18.

Secondly, if you were travelling with a blocked card, how were you doing this for so long? Were you doing something that anyone would see as dodging paying your fare? Or in other words, is there no excuse - you knew you weren't paying properly and anyway who watched you would see that?

When people co-operate, TfL normally prosecutes for just one sample offence - on the day you were caught, for which they normally have clear evidence that cannot reasonably be disputed. This means you only get convicted of one simple byelaw offence. You're then expected to admit to a list of other occasions when you did something similar - they provide a list for you to check through and agree to or adjust - and the court takes this into account and orders you to pay the fares owed for all those journeys alongside the fine etc. But importantly for you, this way, you only end up with one conviction for a minor offence instead of tens or hundreds of separate convictions, or a conviction for fraud.
Thank you so much for your help. I am over 18.

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I send email regarding offer to pay all tfl unpaid fare and administration cost. I mean thay accepted out of court settlement in this case.

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I mean thay accept this offer of out of court settlement or not? Like similar cases
 
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Tfl don't tend to offer out of court settlements. It's true you may have seen other cases on this forum but they won't have been Tfl.
 

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Tfl don't tend to offer out of court settlements. It's true you may have seen other cases on this forum but they won't have been Tfl.

To be clear for the OP, TfL do not offer out of court settlements. They in rare cases offer a final warning, and these will be where there is strong mitigation and/or the involvement of a solicitor. Everything else gets prosecuted. What they regard as relevant mitigation is detailed in their revenue protection ton policy, which is on their website
 

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They in rare cases offer a final warning, and these will be where there is strong mitigation and/or the involvement of a solicitor.
To make this even clearer, my understanding is that involving a solicitor won't make it certain that you get a final warning. It might help, but even if you have a solicitor you may get taken to court.
 

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And even clearer still, given the volume and timescale of fare evasion, I would think it is much less likely that a solicitor can avoid prosecution.
 

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To make this even clearer, my understanding is that involving a solicitor won't make it certain that you get a final warning. It might help, but even if you have a solicitor you may get taken to court.

And even clearer still, given the volume and timescale of fare evasion, I would think it is much less likely that a solicitor can avoid prosecution.

For the OP - the reason we can't say with any certainty the impact a solicitor might have is that whilst we see a lot of people in this forum who are in bother with TfL, not many seem to take the solicitor route and of them very few come back afterwards and tell us the outcome, so we just don't have enough data to have any confidence in what might happen.

Engaging a solicitor will be expensive (maybe a grand or so) and whilst they absolutely won't make things any worse, there is no guarantee of success.

If I was you I would look up some of the specialist solicitors in this area (a search of this forum will find you a list, Manak is one that I recall) and see if you can get a free initial consultation, and if so give them a two minute 100% honest overview of everything (what you've been doing, how you've been doing it, for how long, how you got caught, what TfL have said so far) and ask them honestly to give you a view on how likely it is they can avoid a prosecution.
 

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For the OP - the reason we can't say with any certainty the impact a solicitor might have is that whilst we see a lot of people in this forum who are in bother with TfL, not many seem to take the solicitor route and of them very few come back afterwards and tell us the outcome, so we just don't have enough data to have any confidence in what might happen.

Engaging a solicitor will be expensive (maybe a grand or so) and whilst they absolutely won't make things any worse, there is no guarantee of success.

If I was you I would look up some of the specialist solicitors in this area (a search of this forum will find you a list, Manak is one that I recall) and see if you can get a free initial consultation, and if so give them a two minute 100% honest overview of everything (what you've been doing, how you've been doing it, for how long, how you got caught, what TfL have said so far) and ask them honestly to give you a view on how likely it is they can avoid a prosecution.
Useful info / advice here

Here is a list of some solicitors that have been mentioned on the forum before:

Manak Solicitors

Fare Evasion Solicitors | Kent & London | Manak Solicitors

Makwanas

Fare Evasion Solicitors London | High Success Rate | TFL Solicitors

www.makwanas.co.uk

http://www.grayhooperholt.co.uk/default.asp?id=30

https://penmansedgwick.com/fare-evasion/


Given this case is likely heading to court - the best advice for the OP might well be to prepare for that. The most thorough post on preparing for what will happen in court that I've seen on here (IIRC in relation to a TfL prosecution case) was provided by @island not that long ago - here is a copy of it:


When attending court, you should bring with you copies of all paperwork you have received, and a form MC100 income and expenditure form. If there is anything on paper that you will want to give the court, such as a statement, you must have six copies of each document:
  • Three for the magistrates
  • one for the legal advisor
  • one for the prosecution
  • one for yourself
It is strongly recommended to dress formally. Where possible, gentlemen should wear a dark suit, tie, and formal shoes, and ladies should wear a suit with jacket, a formal top and skirt/trousers, or a dress, nothing too revealing, formal shoes and tights or similar should be worn. Jeans, trainers, open-toed shoes, anything bright, gaudy, or with slogans of any sort should be avoided.

At the court, you should make sure to arrive in good time before the time indicated on your summons. You will need to pass through security checks, which will typically include a walk-through metal detector and a bag search. Certain items are prohibited – check the Courts Service website.

Most courthouses have a number of courtrooms. You will need to check a noticeboard to see which courtroom your case has been assigned to. Staff can point this out. Speak to staff to identify yourself as a defendant.

You will probably have a fair bit of waiting around to do. Bring a book/magazine. You can use your phone whilst waiting in the court building but it should be on silent/do not disturb when in the court room itself.

When you are called into the courtroom, staff will indicate where you need to go. Do not sit down until invited to do so. You will likely have three magistrates sitting at the back on the highest level, with a legal adviser in front of them. (It's possible but unlikely that these four will be replaced by a single district judge.) Towards the centre of the court will be one or more prosecutors – solicitors representing TfL.

The legal adviser will ask you to confirm your personal details (name/address/DOB) and from there they will step you through what needs to be done – you'll likely be asked to confirm your guilty plea and then explain your mitigation. Mitigation means the reasons you are saying the court should punish you less harshly, or not at all.

After that, it could go off in several different directions, so I can't predict beyond there, all I can do is remind you that the court understands that their process is unfamiliar and will be happy for you to ask clarifying questions if you are unsure about anything. If you end up with a fine, you'll be asked if you can pay it right away (which really means within 28 days) or if you need to pay in instalments; they'll usually want it paying within 12 months. A letter will be sent to you with instructions on how to pay online, over the phone, or with a barcode at a "Paypoint" (convenience store).

Finally, don't be tempted to call anyone "your Honour" – that phrase isn't used at Magistrates Court. The magistrates collectively are addressed as "your Worships". Anyone else, including magistrates individually, should be addressed as "sir" or "madam" (not "ma'am").
 

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I asked monak solicitor thay told me tfl prosecute bylaws in this case.
Sounds like the OP has been in touch with Manak - though not clear if this means Manak were stating the process of prosecution, or expressing a view on the likelihood of prosecution.
 

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I send email regarding offer to pay all tfl unpaid fare and administration cost. I mean thay accepted out of court settlement in this case.

I mean thay accept this offer of out of court settlement or not? Like similar cases

Hopefully this clarifies matters, think about it this way: you have committed a string of separate offences; TfL are entitled to prosecute you separately for each of these offences. If, when, you are found guilty of these offences, you will then have a string of criminal convictions on your record to potentially explain away. Having twenty or thirty convictions is a lot harder to justify than having one! Not only that but the fines and court costs will soon mount up.

However, if you cooperate, TfL may (probably will) group all the offences together. They do this by prosecuting you for ONE sample charge (usually the one where they actually caught you), and then asking the court to take the other offences into consideration. You will have to attend court to confirm this to the magistrates.

What are the benefits to you? You only receive one conviction, and your fine and associated costs are based on that one conviction. Almost as important just think of your time saved.

What benefits to TfL? They only have to prosecute one case, but receive financial compensation for ALL the agreed offences. Saves them time and money.

What benefits to the court? Again, only dealing with one case saves time and money.

What benefits to society? A saving to the public purse (aka the taxpayer) but, crucially, justice is being seen to be done.
 

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In this next send sjpn according to tfl bylaws?

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I only called to manak solicitor and said my all details thay said tfl proceedings with bylaws only. So I decided I handle without solicitor.
 

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Sounds like the OP has been in touch with Manak - though not clear if this means Manak were stating the process of prosecution, or expressing a view on the likelihood of prosecution.
No view of a case was given. We only answered one question that was asked.
 

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For my benefit, maybe for future visitors to the thread and maybe even @S0900 , does it make a material difference if you are prosecuted under TFL bylaws or under the railway act 1889?
 

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There are a few differences between the Byelaws and the RoRA. Generally speaking the Byelaws are what is called 'strict liability' meaning prosecution for ticketless travel is pretty straightforward. Offences under the RoRA generally require intent to be shown.

Prosecution under the TfL Byelaws will normally be dealt with using a Single Justice Procedure Notice. This means that if you plead guilty there is no need to attend court, you simply complete the forms, give any mitigation, and the case will be considered by a Magistrate using the papers. You will be notified of the fine, surcharge and costs you have to pay by post. There is an option to plead guilty and request a hearing so you can give your mitigation in person. Note that if you choose this option you are still pleading guilty, it's only the mitigation that you will be giving in person. If you plead not guilty then a date for a trial will be arranged at the Magistrates Court. You will have to attend in person were you can argue your case. The Magistrates will decide whether you are guilty or not guilty based on the evidence.

Prosecution under the Regulation of the Railways Act 1889 cannot be dealt with using a SJPN. It can only be dealt with in the Magistrates Court and you will have to attend in person whether you plan to plead guilty or not guilty.

Convictions under the Byelaws and Regulation of the Railways Act are criminal offences. You will have to pay:

- A fine based ion your income, normally reduced by a third if you plead guilty at the earliest opportunity
- A surcharge of 40% of the value of the fine
- Court costs
- Compensation for the fares avoided

In theory you can be sent to prision for a conviction under the RoRA but in practice this doesn't happen.

Ordinarily, convictions for Byelaw offences aren't entered into the Police National Computer and won't show on a standard DBS check. That said, a Byelaw conviction is a criminal conviction and a matter of public record and organisations do have other ways of finding out if someone has been convicted. We always advise being honest if you are asked to disclose whether or not you have been convicted of an offence. A conviction under the RoRA is recorded in the Police National Computer and will show on DBS checks.

Convictions for Byelaw offences and RoRA offences are considered spent for most purposes after a year.
 

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