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Whilst I appreciate that RailUK has a strong fanbase against the Daily Mail, I would be interested to know what some of you think about the context of this particular article:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...unning-porn-website-facing-ban-classroom.html

In short, a teacher has been fired for leading a double life as a part time teacher and a part time stripper. He was rumbled when pupils uncovered his site.

He argued during his defense that teachers should be able to keep their private lives and teaching lives separate.

'They may go out and get drunk off their faces,' he said. 'They are human and if they are doing it and it is legal that is their choice.'
Insisting that they were obliged to live up to what he believes to be outdated standards, he added: 'I believe that if the General Teaching Council was to agree that what I did undermines public trust and confidence in the teaching profession, I believe that this is a symptom of what I call an immature national attitude to sex and viewing sex as a legitimate form of enjoyment and entertainment.'
And he insisted that schools should prepare children for the 'real world' and adapt to the increasing availability of pornography.
'It is not going anywhere,' he told the panel. 'Pornography is here to stay, the Internet is here to stay, social networking is here to stay.
'Being told that it's wrong, that it's immoral is not an appropriate response.'

Some interesting points worth discussing.....
 
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When you have a professional registration, then things like these can get you struck off - usually for "bringing the profession into disrepute".
 

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When you have a professional registration, then things like these can get you struck off - usually for "bringing the profession into disrepute".

A similar occurrance to this happened when a young female member of the Greater Manchester Police was found to have a second career in what is loosely referred to as a "glamour model". She was dismissed, with a similar reason given to that which you describe.
 

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To be honest, if....

....The tribunal was told how the former head of Personal, Social, Health and Economic education, also left inappropriate voicemail messages on the associate head teacher's telephone in July last year.

Further allegations centre on text message, email and Facebook communication with Year 10 students which, the committee was told, was inappropriate because it fell 'outside the boundaries of the professional teacher/student relationship.'....

....is true, I rather suspect there is more to the story then the DM will say or know (which would not be a first!).

I know for my job I am expected to tell my employer of any other job I do, because it might affect my job performance. I'm not sure if failing to mention something of that nature is a sackable offence, but I doubt the school would've employed him had they known that he was doing that sort of thing.

There is an element of keeping private lives separate and to an extent I agree with his comments about teachers drinking, etc, etc, if the reason for his dismissal is that of bringing the profession into disrepute, although I think this is on another level.

I don't really think 'society' really knows what is and is not morally acceptable these days.
 

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Teachers have an enormous influence on some of societies most influential members, ie the children, and so should be expected to set a good example in the lives they lead. I am very glad that this is being upheld! This is particularly important given the ever increasing teenage pregnancy rate, the high rate of STIs and the increasing rate of mental disorders associated with image.
 

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He argued during his defense that teachers should be able to keep their private lives and teaching lives separate.

Some interesting points worth discussing.....

He has a point but surely it was in his contract that he should not bring the school into disrepute so he's not got a leg to stand on IMO.


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Whilst I appreciate that RailUK has a strong fanbase against the Daily Mail, I would be interested to know what some of you think about the context of this particular article:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...unning-porn-website-facing-ban-classroom.html


Here's why there is a fanbase against the Daily Mail...

The bottom of the article suggests Birmingham as a place where it happened which is a half truth. Ilford or Essex at least should also be mentioned - bias alert

Teacher who worked as stripper called 'Johnny Anglais' and ran porn website is facing ban from classroom

ran a poor website. Poor grammar already :lol:. Speaking of grammar the sentence is missing number - it should commence with "A".
It states later in the article that this was reported to a tribunal - it has not been proven - therefore we get the first of many Citation Needed notices.

By Daily Mail Reporter

Respectable journalists need not be anonymous.



A sex education teacher led a double life as a porn star and stripper while employed at a secondary school, a tribunal has heard.

bias alert It needs to be make clear that the plaintiff is bringing this up. The porn star part is Citation Needed since there is no proof that he was at the time.


Benedict Garrett, 31, is accused of raking in cash under the alias ‘Johnny Anglais’.

So the reporter gets anonymity to spew this vile mess but the defendant doesn't?

Citation Needed - we do not know if he's "raking it in".
In addition Raking in, when related to earnings is slang, not the place for a news article.

He also owned a website containing details of his work as a stripper, which could be freely viewed by pupils, a disciplinary hearing was told.

Citation Needed - no URL = no independent verification.
Still no word from the defence.


On the site, the former teacher who continues to work as a stripper, could be seen scantily clad and dressed as a fireman.

RIP innocent until proven guilty, always an alien concept to the Daily Mail though. However, this is a civil case so it can be let off here. Nonetheless I need a bias alert here, it is the case in many professions that one is suspended pending the outcome of disciplinary action/tribunal. A stripper is also a legitimate occupation.


Alongside the pictures, he claims to be 'a man with a mission' - to 'unashamedly demonstrate the art of pleasure in the realms of fitness, sex and entertainment.'

What else would a stripper be? Also note how we've not been given the URL so we can verify this for ourselves?


He also describes how he has taught 'young people to be open-minded, respectful, tolerant of others' for the past four years.

The implication is that strippers have no morals which is absurd. It's the hallmark of a good teacher.

The General Teaching Council panel in Birmingham heard how Mr Garrett 'undertook work of a pornographic nature' and 'performed as a stripper in public place' while employed by at Beal High School, in Ilford, Essex, between January 1 2008 and July 16 2010.

Hurrah, some truth.

The tribunal was told how the former head of Personal, Social, Health and Economic education, also left inappropriate voicemail messages on the associate head teacher's telephone in July last year.

By the prosecution. Still only one sentence for the defence -- bias alert


Further allegations centre on text message, email and Facebook communication with Year 10 students which, the committee was told, was inappropriate because it fell 'outside the boundaries of the professional teacher/student relationship.'

Innocent until proven guilty or until likely to be found guilty. This is a serious allegation the reply to which deserves the defence an opportunity to rebuke.

Mr Garrett, who represented himself at the hearing, told the panel how he would speak openly with students - some as young as 11 or 12 - about sexual matters.

'I was unembarrassed to talk about anything,' he said. 'I said 'if you ask me in an appropriate manner I will tell you.'

Fair enough. Children of that age are often curious, what we are not told is school policy but we are left with the implication that he is a peadophile.


Giving an example of an exchange with a year 7 pupil, he added: 'The student asked 'sir, what's a vibrator?' 'I told them what it was.'

So? The bloke was a sex education teacher. Same implication as above.

In an impassioned thirty-minute statement in his defence, he argued that teachers should be able to keep their professional and private lives separate.

'They may go out and get drunk off their faces,' he said. 'They are human and if they are doing it and it is legal that is their choice.'

He has a point, probably to protect himself from such a condescending article!


Insisting that they were obliged to live up to what he believes to be outdated standards, he added: 'I believe that if the General Teaching Council was to agree that what I did undermines public trust and confidence in the teaching profession, I believe that this is a symptom of what I call an immature national attitude to sex and viewing sex as a legitimate form of enjoyment and entertainment.'

And he insisted that schools should prepare children for the 'real world' and adapt to the increasing availability of pornography.

'It is not going anywhere,' he told the panel. 'Pornography is here to stay, the Internet is here to stay, social networking is here to stay.

'Being told that it's wrong, that it's immoral is not an appropriate response.'

Articulate and accurate - you can tell it's directly quoted!

Outside the hearing Mr Garrett, dressed in a dark suit and glasses, defended his work as a stripper and insisted he had not come to contest some of the claims made against him.

Claims made against him by tabloid induced anger of course (it's never their own fault!)

'I am not here to deny the facts of the case,' he said.

'Teachers up and down the country are binge drinking, smoking and taking drugs, and just because they do it doesn't mean they are bad teachers.'

Citation Needed

He hit out at the British attitude towards sex, saying: 'We have one of the highest rates of teen pregnancy in the EU, and the reason is that we are just not open about sex.

There are many reasons for teen pregnancy being high in the UK. He may or may not have a point.

'The habit is to shut it off and not talk about it. We have to prepare our students for the real world. Being naked is the most natural thing in the world. I don't see it as a damaging thing.

True, although IMO there are self-esteem issues regarding being naked.

'Would I be embarrassed if a parent or student saw me naked in one of my videos? 'It might put them off having sex if they saw me.'

That would be OTT.

While he admitted to overstepping the boundaries by making Facebook contact with students, he said there was no evidence to suggest this was of a 'sexual or romantic' nature.

Citation Needed.
Facebook is a nightmare for etiquette though, he'd have been better off not adding any of his students.

Mr Garrett has previously admitted working as a hard-core porn star before qualifying as a teacher.

bias alert. His past occupation would have been known and taken into account.

His dual identity was rumbled by pupils before he was suspended last July.

Rumbled? In a serious text? Gordon Bennett, I feel like I've lost 70 IQ points reading that and even got a bit angry so I can only imagine someone not as cynical as me becoming
 

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Here's why there is a fanbase against the Daily Mail...

Nice dissection of the offending "article"!

While I can understand certain moral issues with the after-school activities depicted here (teacher should be a role model), it appears some employers are more tolerant of this sort of thing.

Sincere apologies for lowering the tone with that;):lol: A childrens' charity does benefit though!
 
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It's funny, I think a teacher should teach, and parents should be role-models.

What a teacher does privately shouldn't be relevant or even known to their pupils. They are there to stand in front of a class and impart knowledge about some particular subject they happen to be trained in. (well, sometimes anyway!). As long as they don't bring it into school in any way, I don't see that it is anybody's business.

Just like I think a train guard should do his job and not have people intefering in his private life - I am sure that some train guards have more influence on some children than teachers do. (And certainly 'celebrities').

(I accept that, in this case, there was quite possibly other stuff going on also.)
 

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My area had a sex ed teacher who didnt say 'dont have sex' she said 'use protection' Underage Pregnancy rates are the lowest they have been for a long time

In the Netherlands they send the kids into a sex shop, it works. Personally I think they should at least give a basic outline of stuff like that.


Personally sex ed was for me, You WILL get pregnant/get her pregnant, You WILL catch an STI. Now that’s important no doubt, but them being more open about the positives instead of hiding them behind a wall of babies and STIs
 

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I just don't get the big hooha around it. Is he a bad / incompetent teacher in the classroom? Is he doing anything illegal outside the classroom? Is he being suggestive towards his pupils in a sexual context? If the answer to all three questions is a firm 'no' then I don't understand how he is bringing the occupation in disrepute.

The fact that the pupils are able to see his website outside the school is neither here nor there. What are the parents doing?
 

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Respectable journalists need not be anonymous.

Daily Mail reporter means they have copy and pasted the story from another paper (often one of their sister regional papers) or from a press release (often including spelling mistakes from the original)
 

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When you have a professional registration, then things like these can get you struck off - usually for "bringing the profession into disrepute".

So basically are you saying he shouldn't have a private life? This was clearly the actions of a journalist looking for a story. As a result, someone's private life was brought to the fore when it should've remained private. That, in itself, is not grounds for 'bringing the profession into disrepute'.

One of my ex-colleagues had a dubious private life, details of which are not relevant. His antics were known to us and yet he didn't tarnish the reputation of our company with our clients. They knew where the line between professional and private was, something which this journalist completely disregarded.
 

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Daily Mail reporter means they have copy and pasted the story from another paper (often one of their sister regional papers) or from a press release (often including spelling mistakes from the original)

Isn't there a word for passing off another's work as your own? I believe it begins with P :lol:
 

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So basically are you saying he shouldn't have a private life? This was clearly the actions of a journalist looking for a story. As a result, someone's private life was brought to the fore when it should've remained private. That, in itself, is not grounds for 'bringing the profession into disrepute'.

One of my ex-colleagues had a dubious private life, details of which are not relevant. His antics were known to us and yet he didn't tarnish the reputation of our company with our clients. They knew where the line between professional and private was, something which this journalist completely disregarded.

The report is about the disciplinary hearing into the activities of a teacher. I don't see how the journalist can be blamed for reporting it.

Despite this, I lean more towards the idea that a legal activity outside working hours should not be grounds for dismissing someone. Otherwise we run the risk of judging people by our own moral compass, rather than the laws of society.
 

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The report is about the disciplinary hearing into the activities of a teacher. I don't see how the journalist can be blamed for reporting it.

Despite this, I lean more towards the idea that a legal activity outside working hours should not be grounds for dismissing someone. Otherwise we run the risk of judging people by our own moral compass, rather than the laws of society.

Then I hope the disciplinary takes into account the fact that this was a journalist looking for a story and that the circumstances proceeding the publication of the story was beyond the teacher's control.
 

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So basically are you saying he shouldn't have a private life?
I didn't say anything of the sort. I merely stated a fact.

One of my ex-colleagues had a dubious private life, details of which are not relevant. His antics were known to us and yet he didn't tarnish the reputation of our company with our clients. They knew where the line between professional and private was, something which this journalist completely disregarded.
I am guessing your employees do not need to be registered with a professional organisation such as the HPC, the GMC, the NMC or the GTC.

In the case of the HPC, one of their standards is as follows. If this is breached, then the panel are within their rights to strike someone off:
You must behave with honesty and integrity and make sure that your behaviour does not damage the public’s confidence in you or your profession.
Would it damage the confidence you have in a Physio or a Paramedic treating you if they were a stripper? Probably not. Would it damage the public's confidence? Probably.

I'm not saying it's right or wrong, it's just how it is.
 

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Then I hope the disciplinary takes into account the fact that this was a journalist looking for a story and that the circumstances proceeding the publication of the story was beyond the teacher's control.

The hearing has come before the story. somehting has obviously come to light before the story that raised concern about the teacher's behaviour. I'm not sure what circunstances you have in mind.
 

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It's more likely people will turn a blind eye and not make a fuss of it. There will be some people who say 'so what?', there will be others who will be disgusted and hope that the teacher is struck off for bringing the profession into disrepute. I respect the proceedings involved and I understand why they have to be carried out.

I can only hope that the disciplinary appreciate that this is somebody's benign private life made out to be somehow damaging to the profession, a connection I'm still at a loss to make.
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The hearing has come before the story. somehting has obviously come to light before the story that raised concern about the teacher's behaviour. I'm not sure what circunstances you have in mind.

In which case, I apologise for my misunderstanding. I have corrected my latest post.
 
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It's more likely people will turn a blind eye and not make a fuss of it. There will be some people who say 'so what?', there will be others who will be disgusted and hope that the teacher is struck off for bringing the profession into disrepute. I respect the proceedings involved and I understand why they have to be carried out, but this has come about thanks to a serious of events that were beyond the teacher's control (and I'm not talking about taking your kit off).

I can only hope that the disciplinary appreciate that this is somebody's benign private life made out to be somehow damaging to the profession, a connection I'm still at a loss to make.

In a massive sense of irony the Daily Fascist,Hate,Fail Mail likes to think of itself and/or it's readers as somehow paragons of morality - the sort of modern day Mary Robinson.
Make no mistake, the article would be more accurate if it replaced every word with condescending
 

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I have grave reservations about moral judgements being made by newspapers or their readers.
 

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The teacher has been reprimanded, but is allow to continue teaching.

I can't help but think some users have got too caught up in the stripping business. These allegations were far more important:
The teacher regularly communicated with year 10 students about matters unrelated to school using text messages, emails and Facebook.
However, there were concerns about his "over-familiar" classroom manner.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/education/2011/aug/31/school-teacher-stripper-facebook-pornographic
 

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I have grave reservations about moral judgements being made by newspapers or their readers.

Agreed, this is a pandemic across all news media going far beyond all newspapers.

People call me paranoid or cynical when I tell them that the news is full of opinions
 

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Agreed, this is a pandemic across all news media going far beyond all newspapers.

People call me paranoid or cynical when I tell them that the news is full of opinions

Newspapers ceased conveying news a long time ago, probably when TV news programmes were able to reach more people in a much quicker way.

Since then, they have become much more analytical, which is understandable given that the majority of the population will know what's going on well before the newspaper is published. Naturally, analysis means more opinion!

The appearance of online newspapers, and the rise of social media has increased the pressure on the traditional newspapers to cover breaking stories quickly. This has led, in my opinion, to an increase in items that are not well researched, and written less objectively than used to be the case.
 

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According to a small paragraph in today's Times, the teacher has been "reprimanded" for breach of professional standards, but has not been banned from teaching, a job he "left" over a year ago. Exactly as one might expect.
 
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