Taking your child to work

[30907]

Why did you delete the part refering to living in FGW land and the TM being a Manager/administrator?

Was it because there was a strike on so there was a very real possibility that it was a Manager playing at being a TM rather than a bonefide Train Manager which didn't suit your agenda of berating on board staff?
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Read what the OP originally wrote in the opening post as it is quoted in post 3, he has since seen fit to remove the part about living in FGW land which changes the original post quite considerably.

The change prevents the person being identified. Whether the person is staff or management makes no difference to the question at issue. Beaten to it!

 

[Monkey Magic]

I also deleted the part about him being a manager/administrator rather than a member of staff. So that blows your claim about having an agenda out of the water. :roll:

I amended it because because I was asked to by the mods as they were concerned that the thread would be derailed into another DOO/strike debate.

And guess what, I support the strike. I was concerned about what went down yesterday, but I don't know the rules, nor do I know the circumstances that led to the guard/conductor/train manager having the child with him. I have no idea if it is common practice, acceptable exceptional practice, a complete violation of rules and a disciplinary offence.

 

[455driver]

I don't have problems with questions, I do have problems with people changing/or adding things to make it sound 10 times worse than it is.

Oh and putting 'I live in FGW land' doesn't exactly identify an individual or location does it!
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I also deleted the part about him being a manager/administrator rather than a member of staff. So that blows your claim about having an agenda out of the water. :roll:

I amended it because because I was asked to by the mods as they were concerned that the thread would be derailed into another DOO/strike debate.

And guess what, I support the strike. I was concerned about what went down yesterday, but I don't know the rules, nor do I know the circumstances that led to the guard/conductor/train manager having the child with him. I have no idea if it is common practice, acceptable exceptional practice, a complete violation of rules and a disciplinary offence.

By removing those parts it then reads as more of a normal staff member working for any other TOC, just leaving one part in would have made it clear what was belling discussed!
No it isn't normal practice but as it was a strike breaker it won't matter, there have been a few instances which won't follow the normal procedures because a Manager can't discipline himself. Oh and none of the incidents were serious unlike last time!

 

[Monkey Magic]

You know for once you could just admit that you jumped to conclusions and that you were wrong. It doesn't hurt to say 'sorry I didn't realise that you were asked to change the thread. Sorry for wrongly accusing you of having an agenda against railway staff.'

 

[Lockwood]

I turned up to work with a young child once. Management weren't happy.

I think me having no children may have been the problem, rather than safety concerns.


And back on topic, if the child had a ticket and chose to fire the guard around, what time is being broken?
Or maybe the child had no ticket and the guard couldn't just kick them off at the next station, so put the child back into the care of their parent/guardian until they could be safely detrained?

 

[455driver]

You know for once you could just admit that you jumped to conclusions and that you were wrong. It doesn't hurt to say 'sorry I didn't realise that you were asked to change the thread. Sorry for wrongly accusing you of having an agenda against railway staff.'

Am I wrong though, the original post made it clear what was being discussed (a manager taking their child to work during a strike) but it was changed to make it sound like it was staff taking their child to work!
That is fact.

 

[34D]

Im confused. Isn't there a 'take your son/daughter to work' day? I thought that was the issue at hand.

 

[the sniper]

Am I wrong though, the original post made it clear what was being discussed (a manager taking their child to work during a strike) but it was changed to make it sound like it was staff taking their child to work!
That is fact.

You did though jump to the conclusion that he had an agenda. Personally I wondered the same thing yesterday when I saw his original post pre/post edit, but had a look through his posting history and realised this wasn't the case. I asked exactly the same question as you regarding the reason for the deletion, but the mods had got involved by that point. Personally I understand their reasoning. Monkey Magic hasn't done anything wrong though.

 

[455driver]

Monkey Magic hasn't done anything wrong though.

I agree on that one but it all looked very suspicious at the time.

Isn't it quite funny that the mods asked for the opening post to be edited to avoid the thread going off on a tangent and they have caused exactly that!

Anyway, off to work soon and I have to get the kids and their sleeping bags ready.

 

[timbo58]

Frankly part of me just wishes something serious would happen when one of these 'manager guards' is doing the guards job.

I'm not going to call it strike breaking (or anything ruder) since unless you are 'in grade and part of the same company in dispute it's not possible to be in that position, managers covering shifts during strikes cannot be strike breakers/scabs by definition.

I also feel a great deal of sympathy for junior and middle managers who are cajoled into working as guards -the vast majority of whom have no fair choice whether to do this and in all probability agree with the guards on strike!

FGW are taking a gamble here -as serious incidents are, thankfully, very rare they can cover up the odd door on the catch etc that happens when their managers are covering guards shifts.

Since the guards real role doesn't come into play until a serious derailment etc, FGW are playing a fairly safe gamble IMHO.

 

[455driver]

On the first strike day there was a full release at an SDO station which was covered up.
Since then they have released one less coach than they expect the guards to do, just to be safe, they are not expected to check tickets except to go through and grip whatever is offered (beer mat etc) and are generally just trying to make it look like the guards are not really needed.

Some are hating it but others are relishing in it, one even cancelling his holidays so he could work a strike day.

 

[Robertj21a]

Why did you delete the part refering to living in FGW land and the TM being a Manager/administrator?

Was it because there was a strike on so there was a very real possibility that it was a Manager playing at being a TM rather than a bonefide Train Manager which didn't suit your agenda of berating on board staff?
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Read what the OP originally wrote in the opening post as it is quoted in post 3, he has since seen fit to remove the part about living in FGW land which changes the original post quite considerably.

Thank you for clarifying what was there originally - it puts a significantly different angle on what appeared to be the facts of the matter.
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[455driver]

Thank you for clarifying what was there originally - it puts a significantly different angle on what appeared to be the facts of the matter.
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Indeed it does, but apparently I am wrong for doing so.

 

[headshot119]

Indeed it does, but apparently I am wrong for doing so.

No you aren't!

 

[Robertj21a]

Indeed it does, but apparently I am wrong for doing so.

That's a crazy view by others. The whole story was not at all clear and I thank you for clarifying it. There's a whole barrel of problems out there if people alter key parts of their original posting without others being made fully aware.

 

[yorkie]

There's a whole barrel of problems out there if people alter key parts of their original posting without others being made fully aware.

There is no key part altered. 30907 has it spot on:

Whether the person is staff or management makes no difference to the question at issue.

The question as intended by the OP is about the specific matter asked about.

If people wish to comment about the way in which FGW managers are running trains on strike days please use the FGW Driver Only Operated Trains (DOO) discussion thread. It's best to keep all such discussion in one thread, rather than it spill out into others.

 

[headshot119]

There is no key part altered. 30907 has it spot on:

The question as intended by the OP is about the specific matter asked about.

If people wish to comment about the way in which FGW managers are running trains on strike days please use the FGW Driver Only Operated Trains (DOO) discussion thread. It's best to keep all such discussion in one thread, rather than it spill out into others.

This made me raise my eyebrows a little today.

Our guard/train manager was guarding with his son/a small child in tow.

I am curious as to whether it is normal policy on the railway for people to take their children to work with them. Especially in what most would consider a safety critical job. I appreciate that childcare is often difficult to get but it struck me as a little unorthodox.

My bold. Is it normal policy to take a child to work as a guard. No it isn't. But if you're a manager working as a guard during strike action then a blind eye is likely to be turned to allow the service to run.

I'm not discussing the reasons for the strike, but it is very relevant to the discussion.