SWT Class 455 question

[387star]

Do they all have conductors or are there some like southerns which are DOO?

thanks

 

[yorkie]

SWT trains have guards.

For 455 operated services, more likely to be non-commercial.

 

[387star]

SWT trains have guards.

For 455 operated services, more likely to be non-commercial.

why the difference? and are non commercial on less pay?

Another question LOROL has removed guards were they non commerical too?

 

[Muzer]

Stops are so close together, they'd have no time to sell tickets between opening the doors, so there's little point.

I do, however, believe LOROL guards are commercial, though presumably rarely get the chance to sell tickets - am I right in that or am I misremembering?

 

[Monty]

LOROL conductors are not commercial as far as I am aware. Both commercial and non-commercial guards sign 455s in the areas they operate though as mentioned previously it's the non-commercial links that tend to pick up the 455 work. And yes us lowly non-commercial guards are paid less (by quite a bit actually).

 

[Muzer]

Ah, OK. I'm sure I've seen a couple of people mention being commercial guards on LOROL, but I must be going crazy.

 

[Matt Taylor]

And yes us lowly non-commercial guards are paid less (by quite a bit actually).

I think the difference is around the £5k mark and does not include the commission that we get on ticket sales. I don't sign 455s anymore (sadly) but having gone from being a non-commercial guard to a commercial guard I can't think of any reason to go back-except the 455s maybe

 

[TDK]

SWT was down to be DOO when Southern became DOO and a lot of the CCTV and mirrors were installed however I think the unions put a stop to SWT becoming DOO so it never materialised. Correct me if I am wrong!

 

[TEW]

I think it was more that privatisation stopped it. I believe the South Central network went over to DOO under BR, but privatisation came along and put a halt to the South Western network becoming DOO, and it just hasn't been attempted since privatisation.

 

[tsr]

Although, as we know, some Southern 455s do have guards on the Metro routes - Dorking-Horsham immediately springs to mind! Also some of the Guildford Metro services, for the Sutton/Epsom/Leatherhead-Guildford (or vice versa) leg.

 

[Matt Taylor]

A few stations still have the DOO equipment, Syon Lane is one and St Margarets it another, the DOO monitors can be seen in this shot at the end of the platform by the drivers cab.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/40172673@N03/8093255914/in/photolist-dkb425-dkb3YW-dkb3TS-dkb3XY-bt5Th8

 

[Monty]

I would say most of it is exBR equipment as it all appears to be painted in NSE red.

 

[Pumbaa]

I think the difference is around the £5k mark and does not include the commission that we get on ticket sales. I don't sign 455s anymore (sadly) but having gone from being a non-commercial guard to a commercial guard I can't think of any reason to go back-except the 455s maybe

£6k at last glance. Non-comms are sitting ducks at the moment IMO.