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SWR Repaints and Refurbishments
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fairysdad
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Out of interest, I was thinking about this the other day - I seem to remember that the original artists' impressions of the new interiors for the 444s had 3+2 seating; did this actually happen in the end?
(I've not kept up-to-date with this thread, and despite being a regular SWR user, I'm pretty much solely on 455s and 456s which - I note with some amusement - still advertise Waterloo for Eurostar services on their network maps!!)
swt_passenger
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I dont remember that (2+3) ever being suggested, but they did shorten the 444 first class area by making it 2+2 but still with a similar capacity as before.
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Would 2+3 actually fit in a 444? Aren’t they thinner (and longer) than 450s? Having said that Bombardier got 2+3 into the 720s and they’re even longer.
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I doubt it, they are about the narrowest bodies around, 2.688m on the data plates.
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A 450 has been put in a special key worker livery
Goldfish62
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Nice touch with the names on the side.
TT-ONR-NRN
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I don’t like it. It looks unfinished with the white. The key worker thing is also quite cringeworthy and extremely outdated now - perhaps in May 2020 it would be appropriate but now that we’re getting back to normal a year and a bit later, it just seems out of place.
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the gesture is nice but its just a bit late. if they were doing it for the 3 who lost their lives due to the virus, a plaque would've been better at Waterloo or wherever that member of staff was based. or even a named train. After all, swr have 127 450s, im sure they could name 3
Ilovetrains43
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Does anyone think that the 458s SWR are retaining will be repainted into fleet livery?
Goldfish62
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Why would they not be? What livery would they get instead?
Class360/1
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I agree, and the livery looks like a rushed job; incredibly overdue too. Whilst it would have been nice to have proper name plates, it is a massive engineering undertaking, and the vinyl names look.nice.
All in all it has a nice concept to it
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This doesn’t surprise me at all - it’s SWR. The majority of their fleet is still in SWT livery, and with the 442s gone and the 701s not even in service yet, almost as if it’s still the same since they took over the franchise…
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It’s in keeping with every project SWR have attempted: it’s at least 12 months late.
Goldfish62
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I really don't understand what seems like the general malaise with SWR. It's not even as if it's stayed the same as when it first took over. It's on its third MD (the last one in particular having a very good reputation) and the franchise ended, being replaced by a National Rail Contract, yet it still feels like its just taken over from SWT..
U.450067 Key Workers Livery is today on :
5Y00 09+26 Bournemouth to Woking (via Havant).
5Y01 13+04 Woking to Southampton (via Havant).
5B04 14+49 Southampton to Basingstoke.
2L58 16 54 Basingstoke to Waterloo (FP).
2L61 19 11 Waterloo to Basingstoke (RP).
2L72 20 24 Basingstoke to Waterloo (FP).
1T73 22 08 Waterloo to Ports Hbr (RP).
5T73 00+35 Ports Hbr to Fratton Depot.
U.450030 has now taken its place in the paint shed at Bournemouth Depot.
5Y00 09+26 Bournemouth to Woking (via Havant).
5Y01 13+04 Woking to Southampton (via Havant).
5B04 14+49 Southampton to Basingstoke.
2L58 16 54 Basingstoke to Waterloo (FP).
2L61 19 11 Waterloo to Basingstoke (RP).
2L72 20 24 Basingstoke to Waterloo (FP).
1T73 22 08 Waterloo to Ports Hbr (RP).
5T73 00+35 Ports Hbr to Fratton Depot.
U.450030 has now taken its place in the paint shed at Bournemouth Depot.
Ilovetrains43
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Maybe they get a special revised livery with it being due to replaced and then retained, when that happens they either stay in the current livery or an Interim.
There's no point doing anything beyond "keep it moving" until they go for conversion, at which point they'll get the full livery and interior refurb
SWR Desiro Repaints:
444s
002, 003, 005, 006, 007, 011, 012, 014, 015, 016, 017, 018, 019, 020, 021, 023, 024, 025, 027, 029, 030, 031, 032, 037, 038, 042 and 043 (27 units)(60% complete)
450s
005, 006, 009, 013, 015, 016, 017*, 018, 020, 021, 023, 024, 025, 026, 027, 029, 030*, 033, 036, 038, 039, 041, 043, 048, 056, 067, 081, 101, 107, 113, 119 and 127 (30 units)(24% complete)
Feel free to let me know of any more repainted Desiros.
Note: (* = Currently being done)
444040 and 450111 have had vinyl wrap (not been painted)
444s
002, 003, 005, 006, 007, 011, 012, 014, 015, 016, 017, 018, 019, 020, 021, 023, 024, 025, 027, 029, 030, 031, 032, 037, 038, 042 and 043 (27 units)(60% complete)
450s
005, 006, 009, 013, 015, 016, 017*, 018, 020, 021, 023, 024, 025, 026, 027, 029, 030*, 033, 036, 038, 039, 041, 043, 048, 056, 067, 081, 101, 107, 113, 119 and 127 (30 units)(24% complete)
Feel free to let me know of any more repainted Desiros.
Note: (* = Currently being done)
444040 and 450111 have had vinyl wrap (not been painted)
WarrenTManager
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Proper name plates are a massive engineering undertaking these days in terms of paperwork. Drilling holes in trains is never too popular….
59CosG95
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Indeed not - I think the UK might be one of the few countries who still routinely do such a practice.
Goldfish62
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That's interesting. I hadn't appreciated that, but it makes perfect sense.
Pleased to say that U.450017 is off its repaint and currently working :
2B36 1005 Bmh : Win
2B27 1149 Win : Bmh
2B52 1405 Bmh : Win
2B43 1549 Win : Sou
2B06 1724 Sou : Esl
5B07 17+41 Esl : NT
U.450034 has taken its place in Bournemouth Depot paint shed.
2B36 1005 Bmh : Win
2B27 1149 Win : Bmh
2B52 1405 Bmh : Win
2B43 1549 Win : Sou
2B06 1724 Sou : Esl
5B07 17+41 Esl : NT
U.450034 has taken its place in Bournemouth Depot paint shed.
SWR Desiro Repaints:
444s
002, 003, 005, 006, 007, 011, 012, 014, 015, 016, 017, 018, 019, 020, 021, 023, 024, 025, 027, 029, 030, 031, 032, 037, 038, 042 and 043 (27 units)(60% complete)
450s
005, 006, 009, 013, 015, 016, 017, 018, 020, 021, 023, 024, 025, 026, 027, 029, 030*, 033, 034*, 036, 038, 039, 041, 043, 048, 056, 067, 081, 101, 107, 113, 119 and 127 (31 units)(24% complete)
Feel free to let me know of any more repainted Desiros.
Note: (* = Currently being done)
444040 and 450111 have had vinyl wrap (not been painted)
444s
002, 003, 005, 006, 007, 011, 012, 014, 015, 016, 017, 018, 019, 020, 021, 023, 024, 025, 027, 029, 030, 031, 032, 037, 038, 042 and 043 (27 units)(60% complete)
450s
005, 006, 009, 013, 015, 016, 017, 018, 020, 021, 023, 024, 025, 026, 027, 029, 030*, 033, 034*, 036, 038, 039, 041, 043, 048, 056, 067, 081, 101, 107, 113, 119 and 127 (31 units)(24% complete)
Feel free to let me know of any more repainted Desiros.
Note: (* = Currently being done)
444040 and 450111 have had vinyl wrap (not been painted)
pigs bay
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going on at the pace the 444's and 450's are being repainted the franchise/contract will be finished before they get the 458's even started
Goldfish62
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The 458s are not being done by Bournemouth. They will be done by Alstom at Widnes so completely independent of the Desiro repaint programme, which has been contracted by Siemens to SWR Bournemouth.
pigs bay
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thanks for that goldfish. I just assumed that Bournemouth were doing them.
Goldfish62
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Bournemouth is only doing the Desiros because it was fortunate enough to win the tender for the work. Coincidence that it happens to be part of SWR.
Sprinter158
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As this is the right forum, does anyone know whats going on with the 159/1s none have been refurbished yet even though they finished on the 159/0s ages ago. Also they seem to have applied the livery to the 159s yet not changed the interiors.
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