SWR Repaints and Refurbishments

[pompeyfan]

Is Desiros a typo there?

Only typo is that I probably should have included an apostrophe in Desiro, but yes I was replying to someones comment asking about 444040.

 

[swt_passenger]

Only typo is that I probably should have included an apostrophe in Desiro, but yes I was replying to someones comment asking about 444040.

Ah I see, sorry I lost track of which stock was being discussed, cos of the 442 stuff above. But you’re correct in not having an apostrophe in Desiros.

 

[Tompennock]

Hi all, I've been following this thread for a while but never posted, but today saw something that might be of interest. A 442 unit, (or parts of 2 units) at Fratton Railcare Depot.
What I found interesting was the fact that a few cars had the part repaint (grey baselayer) whereas the other cars hasn't been touched with the paintbrush (see a rather dodgy picture 2).
I didn't think at this stage there were any 442s left without any signs of refurbishment, when they're supposed to be entering service so soon. Hope this is of interest!

 

[spw24]

Island Line 006 and 008 have new Island Line logo,s applied.

 

[spark001uk]

Hi all, I've been following this thread for a while but never posted, but today saw something that might be of interest. A 442 unit, (or parts of 2 units) at Fratton Railcare Depot.
What I found interesting was the fact that a few cars had the part repaint (grey baselayer) whereas the other cars hasn't been touched with the paintbrush (see a rather dodgy picture 2).
I didn't think at this stage there were any 442s left without any signs of refurbishment, when they're supposed to be entering service so soon. Hope this is of interest!

What you saw there believe it or not actually is the finished livery of the 442s (bar some labels I expect). Looks bland I know, but that's what they've apparently gone with.

 

[spark001uk]

Just been on 450006, and it's actually had the mains sockets fitted into their housings now.

 

[theironroad]

Yes it is due out immanently, the union were supposed to be invited to review the unit and come to an agreed method of working on Desiros, including restricting people passing in back cabs, but with the latest round of action announced the invitation was withdrawn.

What's the deal with restricting people passing in back cab?

 

[pompeyfan]

What's the deal with restricting people passing in back cab?

No official policy as far as I’m aware at the moment, just some guards trying to protect their personal belongings a bit more than others. It’s sad but it’s not unknown for a very very tiny percentage of staff to steal off the rest.

 

[spark001uk]

No official policy as far as I’m aware at the moment, just some guards trying to protect their personal belongings a bit more than others. It’s sad but it’s not unknown for a very very tiny percentage of staff to steal off the rest.

If I'm not mistaken the 444/450 have a guards compartment in one of the coaches, so why would their belongings be in the rear cab?

 

[moley]

If I'm not mistaken the 444/450 have a guards compartment in one of the coaches, so why would their belongings be in the rear cab?

Because the refurbishments remove the guards compartment.

 

[spark001uk]

Because the refurbishments remove the guards compartment.

Ah OK, that'll be why then!

 

[Train Boy]

444040 and 450113 are leaving Eastleigh Works today, after spending over 10 months in there each.

http://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/train/O50431/2018/10/23/advanced

 

[theironroad]

No official policy as far as I’m aware at the moment, just some guards trying to protect their personal belongings a bit more than others. It’s sad but it’s not unknown for a very very tiny percentage of staff to steal off the rest.

Interesting, thanks. I'm not sure how this will pan out when a crew need to pass on a sardine packed train during disruption. Looks like the taxi bill will be going up though.

 

[pompeyfan]

444040 and 450113 are leaving Eastleigh Works today, after spending over 10 months in there each.

http://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/train/O50431/2018/10/23/advanced

Is that confirmed to be the above units? Or could it just be a movement of a reupholstered unit?

 

[Helvellyn]

No official policy as far as I’m aware at the moment, just some guards trying to protect their personal belongings a bit more than others. It’s sad but it’s not unknown for a very very tiny percentage of staff to steal off the rest.

No different to 158/159s where the back cab is the Guard's "office" or centre cabs on the suburban units. Will annoy those who think Desiro cabs are their own private compartments though - and no, not passing crew.

 

[Chiltern006]

159 006 is stripeless and refurbished

 

[TEW]

I have seen some photos of the fully refurbished units, so they do definitely exist. I have to say, the work done is incredibly underwhelming. Not up to the standards you would expect for units out so long.

 

[Goldfish62]

I have seen some photos of the fully refurbished units, so they do definitely exist. I have to say, the work done is incredibly underwhelming. Not up to the standards you would expect for units out so long.

Why does that not surprise me? I'll be interested to see if it's as underwhelming as SWT's "major refurbishment" of the 458s as part of their reconfiguration.

 

[TEW]

From what I have seen from the photos, the part refurbished 450s are not as partly done as I think most assumed. The orange grab poles still remain for example, and it appears the walls have not been painted either.

 

[Goldfish62]

From what I have seen from the photos, the part refurbished 450s are not as partly done as I think most assumed. The orange grab poles still remain for example, and it appears the walls have not been painted either.

Yes, it's retrimmed and repadded seats, new carpets and sockets. That's it. SWT had the walls repainted as part of a minor refresh a few years ago so no real need to attend to them again, I'd have thought.

 

[TEW]

You'd think SWR would paint them in their own brand colours though. Stagecoach orange grab poles just don't look right.

 

[swt_passenger]

You'd think SWR would paint them in their own brand colours though. Stagecoach orange grab poles just don't look right.

Do they have to be high contrast for visibility reasons? Not much point in change if any other options are equally garish...

 

[moley]

Do they have to be high contrast for visibility reasons? Not much point in change if any other options are equally garish...

It has been suggested that the light blue was not contrast enough.

The 450s still need their first class moving and guard office removing.

 

[Goldfish62]

It has been suggested that the light blue was not contrast enough.

The 450s still need their first class moving and guard office removing.

The handrails in the new Abellio trains appear to be light grey against a light grey background, so not much contrast there.

The handrails on the Class 701 renders look to be a mix of dark blue/black and stainless steel, with the seat back grab handles bright blue.

 

[Matt Taylor]

I've seen interior shots of 444040 and there are now four airlines seats where the guards office was plus four more where the buffet used to be. As expected the seats added in place of the buffet have no window view. First class is 2+2 and pretty much the same as 450 first class.

I saw a picture of 444040 in Dorset earlier on what appeared to be a service train.

 

[K.o.R]

Looking at the Sprinter version of the livery, the orange cantrail does wonders to break up the monotony of the livery. I know the Desiros and 442s will never see an overhead wire but it would make so much difference.

 

[RichSwitch]

I've seen interior shots of 444040 and there are now four airlines seats where the guards office was plus four more where the buffet used to be. As expected the seats added in place of the buffet have no window view. First class is 2+2 and pretty much the same as 450 first class.

I saw a picture of 444040 in Dorset earlier on what appeared to be a service train.

Do you happen to have a link to the shots in question?

 

[59CosG95]

Looking at the Sprinter version of the livery, the orange cantrail does wonders to break up the monotony of the livery. I know the Desiros and 442s will never see an overhead wire but it would make so much difference.

The 442s certainly won't. If, however, that Norwegian Blue parrot called the "Electric Spine" has an opportunity to "voom", the Desiros may yet.

 

[Matt Taylor]

They are not available online, only for internal use for now. Both 450113 and 444040 are expected to enter service on Monday however so pictures will soon be all over the internet.

Do you happen to have a link to the shots in question?

 

[Bigfoot]

I travelled on a non refurbished 450 yesterday (didn't get the number) which still had red seats, but all the internal signage had been changed to SWR branding.