SWR outgoing Metro fleet withdrawals (complete)

[Roger B]

5737 0820 Guildford Waterloo.The empty to Wimbledon. Often returns 1702 Waterloo Guildford but no guarantees. It has of late been a favourite to remove a unit for scrap.
I found the best thrash is the 507 car end bogie of the thrash chariot.

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For those out and about, the below may help.
If you use LRR app you can get the unit diagram, or trace forward on real time trains
Out today from Waterloo. As on LRR.

5870 0906 to Hampton Court (solo)
5873 5710 0903 to Guildford
5719 5732 0853 to Guilford

5721 5737 0820 Guiildford Waterloo and to shed.

458530 (0950 to Reading and return, back out for 1537 Waterloo circular)
458533 0833 Weybridge Waterloo and to shed
458535 0845 Waterloo circular and to shed.

Many thanks Dave,
I can't recall what LRR stands for - and any chance of posting a link where I can get the app download from, please?
Cheers

 

[Siemens Staines]

Many thanks Dave,
I can't recall what LRR stands for - and any chance of posting a link where I can get the app download from, please?
Cheers

LRR is Live Rail Record, website at

Train Allocations Lookup | Rail Record

Search UK Train Schedules By TOPS Number, Show Loco Allocations and Unit History | Train Tracker | Rail Record

live.rail-record.co.uk

Sorry, but I have no idea if there is an app as I don't possess a device that can run apps

 

[Rob F]

There were two class 455 cars on low loaders at M1 junction 24 as I went home last night. Couldn't get the numbers, I'm afraid.

 

[wickham]

There were two class 455 cars on low loaders at M1 junction 24 as I went home last night. Couldn't get the numbers, I'm afraid.

Very interesting, M1 J24 is Kegworth, not too far from Derby and there is a direct route to Kingsbury from there - am I putting two and two together ?

 

[Roger B]

LRR is Live Rail Record, website at

Train Allocations Lookup | Rail Record

Search UK Train Schedules By TOPS Number, Show Loco Allocations and Unit History | Train Tracker | Rail Record

live.rail-record.co.uk

Sorry, but I have no idea if there is an app as I don't possess a device that can run apps

That's really handy - much appreciated

 

[WWTownEnth]

Is there a scrap drag tomorrow? Can’t see one in RTT but I’m not brilliant with how to use it……

 

[Siemens Staines]

Is there a scrap drag tomorrow? Can’t see one in RTT but I’m not brilliant with how to use it……

There is a path on RTT for tomorrow;

Realtime Trains | 5Q57 1102 Wimbledon Park Depot Sdgs to Derby Litchurch Lane | 17/12/2025

Real-time train running information for 5Q57 1102 departure from Wimbledon Park Depot Sdgs to Derby Litchurch Lane on 17/12/2025. From Realtime Trains, an independent source of train running info for Great Britain.

www.realtimetrains.co.uk

 

[SEtrains]

There is a path on RTT for tomorrow;

Realtime Trains | 5Q57 1102 Wimbledon Park Depot Sdgs to Derby Litchurch Lane | 17/12/2025

Real-time train running information for 5Q57 1102 departure from Wimbledon Park Depot Sdgs to Derby Litchurch Lane on 17/12/2025. From Realtime Trains, an independent source of train running info for Great Britain.

www.realtimetrains.co.uk

The drag has now been retimed to 14:40 off of Wimbledon depot. https://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/service/gb-nr:38910/2025-12-17/detailed

 

[Bessie]

Enjoying/enduring a 5 car 458/5 on the morning commute, ex 7:19 departure from Reading. Standing room only! Guard keen to tell us one of the new trains failed in the yard and this was all that was available. Better than no train I suppose

 

[nctd2306]

Enjoying/enduring a 5 car 458/5 on the morning commute, ex 7:19 departure from Reading. Standing room only! Guard keen to tell us one of the new trains failed in the yard and this was all that was available. Better than no train I suppose

That service was only a single unit yesterday too...
I'm of the opinion that if you're going to short form a diagram, it shouldn't be the same one two days in a row where possible as that's not a good look for passengers!

 

[Siemens Staines]

The drag has now been retimed to 14:40 off of Wimbledon depot. https://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/service/gb-nr:38910/2025-12-17/detailed

Thank you. It looks like 37884 from Wembley has been timed to run a lot later than usual today

Realtime Trains | 0Z87 1111 Wembley Loco Sidings P,q,r to Wimbledon Park Depot Sdgs | 17/12/2025

Real-time train running information for 0Z87 1111 departure from Wembley Loco Sidings P,q,r to Wimbledon Park Depot Sdgs on 17/12/2025. From Realtime Trains, an independent source of train running info for Great Britain.

www.realtimetrains.co.uk

There are some paths that look to be another attempt to move 5723 to Derby

Thursday
0D81 1052 Honeybourne Sidings to Bristol Temple Meads

Realtime Trains | 0D81 1052 Honeybourne Sidings to Bristol Temple Meads | 18/12/2025

Real-time train running information for 0D81 1052 departure from Honeybourne Sidings to Bristol Temple Meads on 18/12/2025. From Realtime Trains, an independent source of train running info for Great Britain.

www.realtimetrains.co.uk

Friday
0W76 0541 Bristol Temple Meads to Alexandra Docks Udg

Realtime Trains | 0W76 0541 Bristol Temple Meads to Alexandra Docks Udg | 19/12/2025

Real-time train running information for 0W76 0541 departure from Bristol Temple Meads to Alexandra Docks Udg on 19/12/2025. From Realtime Trains, an independent source of train running info for Great Britain.

www.realtimetrains.co.uk

5Q57 0735 Alexandra Docks Udg to Derby Litchurch Lane

Realtime Trains | 5Q57 0735 Alexandra Docks Udg to Derby Litchurch Lane | 19/12/2025

Real-time train running information for 5Q57 0735 departure from Alexandra Docks Udg to Derby Litchurch Lane on 19/12/2025. From Realtime Trains, an independent source of train running info for Great Britain.

www.realtimetrains.co.uk

but the loco at Honeybourne looks like it is returning to Derby today

0M57 0845 Honeybourne Sidings to Derby R.T.C.(Network Rail)

Realtime Trains | 0M57 0845 Honeybourne Sidings to Derby R.T.C.(Network Rail) | 17/12/2025

Real-time train running information for 0M57 0845 departure from Honeybourne Sidings to Derby R.T.C.(Network Rail) on 17/12/2025. From Realtime Trains, an independent source of train running info for Great Britain.

www.realtimetrains.co.uk

So I am not sure what will happen. Just a general question, is there a time limit on how long vehicles can sit in sidings and still be acceptable to Network Rail that they are fit to run on the Network? 5723 has now been at Alexandra Docks for a month.

 

[norbitonflyer]

That service was only a single unit yesterday too...
I'm of the opinion that if you're going to short form a diagram, it shouldn't be the same one two days in a row where possible as that's not a good look for passengers!

The diagram may have been chosen as the least worst option (eg alternative train available shortly afterwards, only runs one peak hour service, whatever)

Moreover, if you consistely run the same service short formed, people will come to know that is the one to avoid.

 

[sp503]

The diagram may have been chosen as the least worst option (eg alternative train available shortly afterwards, only runs one peak hour service, whatever)

Moreover, if you consistely run the same service short formed, people will come to know that is the one to avoid.

Unfortunately the 2C16 happens to be one of the busiest services during the morning commute, as it arrives London Waterloo at the great time of around half past eight

 

[nctd2306]

Unfortunately the 2C16 happens to be one of the busiest services during the morning commute, as it arrives London Waterloo at the great time of around half past eight

Not to mention Reading still only has 2tph, so for anyone left behind before Staines, that's a half an hour wait for the next train!
Occasionally short forming a busy is understandable, but for anyone left behind yesterday expecting their usual 10 car train back today, the horror of another 5 car train turning up and leaving you behind again may begin to plant seeds of doubt as to whether the train is still a reliable method of commute...

 

[Rail_Sussex]

Is there any news on moving the stock for the tour, from Bournemouth depot to Wimbledon depot yet?

 

[DBS92042]

The drag has now been retimed to 14:40 off of Wimbledon depot. https://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/service/gb-nr:38910/2025-12-17/detailed

Reported on SE Gen as 37884 + 455701 455869

 

[yololiverb1]

Does anyone happen to know if and how many 458/5s are out on saturday? and would be willing to provide the diagrams please?

Kind regards

 

[TEW]

Does anyone happen to know if and how many 458/5s are out on saturday? and would be willing to provide the diagrams please?

Kind regards

A pair booked out on Kingston Loop services. Starting on the 0627 out via Wimbledon and 0800 out via Richmond, then repeating every 3 hours.

 

[cduncan]

A pair booked out on Kingston Loop services. Starting on the 0627 out via Wimbledon and 0800 out via Richmond, then repeating every 3 hours.

Shows up as a 10 701 on the CWN. Unless if that's just for this weekend?

 

[TT-ONR-NRN]

Shows up as a 10 701 on the CWN. Unless if that's just for this weekend?

This weekend will be their last, won't it!

 

[mansonlo49]

Shows up as a 10 701 on the CWN. Unless if that's just for this weekend?

What’s CWN thanks?

 

[NSEWonderer]

What’s CWN thanks?

Carriage Working Notice

 

[mansonlo49]

Carriage Working Notice

thanks

 

[TEW]

Shows up as a 10 701 on the CWN. Unless if that's just for this weekend?

That diagram is booked 10-458 this weekend.

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This weekend will be their last, won't it!

No. There are 458/5s booked out on Sunday 28th December too.

 

[CallmeDave]

5732 on its own today 0709 Reading Waterloo then shed
5710 5873 0906 Waterloo Hampton C
5719 5729 0903 Waterloo Guildford
5721 5737 0820 Guildford Waterloo then shed (usually back out 1702 Waterloo Guildford.)

5870 worked 2245 Guildford Waterloo yesterday. Not out today.

458530 0950 Waterloo Reading 1139 back. Back out for 1537 Waterloo circular
458535 0833 Weybridge Waterloo and to shed

 

[dodger]

Is there any news on moving the stock for the tour, from Bournemouth depot to Wimbledon depot yet?

I have not seen any evidence of them leaving Bournemouth Depot. When I drove passed the depot 3 weeks nothing was visible. However according to RTT 5y51 was activated around 6 am this morning, but no unit numbers are given.

Hopefully I will be able to spot them enroute.

Dodger

 

[Rail_Sussex]

I have not seen any evidence of them leaving Bournemouth Depot. When I drove passed the depot 3 weeks nothing was visible. However according to RTT 5y51 was activated around 6 am this morning, but no unit numbers are given.

Hopefully I will be able to spot them enroute.

Dodger

Thanks for your reply, maybe they are being moved today! We might also find out if one of them has a special livery for Sundays tour.

 

[444045]

I have not seen any evidence of them leaving Bournemouth Depot. When I drove passed the depot 3 weeks nothing was visible. However according to RTT 5y51 was activated around 6 am this morning, but no unit numbers are given.

Hopefully I will be able to spot them enroute.

Dodger

Just to let you know that 5B39 09+15 Wimbledon Park to Bournemouth Depot is running and currently behind 1W19 0935 Wloo/Weym
in the Wallers Ash area.

 

[Western Sunset]

Rubbish day, weather wise, in Dorset if you want to go out to see 'em...

 

[Rail_Sussex]

Just to let you know that 5B39 09+15 Wimbledon Park to Bournemouth Depot is running and currently behind 1W19 0935 Wloo/Weym
in the Wallers Ash area.

Would you know what units are on route?