SWR Class 458 to be retained

[WarrenTManager]

Cheaper to C4 a four car 455 than a five car 458, and the 455 is compatible with a larger fleet making it more flexible.

Of course the money would be better spent on getting the 701s into service.

And wheelsets/gearbox production lines are set up for churning out 100mph motor wheelsets at the moment.

 

[Ian Hardy]

2 pairs of 458/4 at Feltham ready for the increase in usage from tomorrow.

 

[Goldfish62]

2 pairs of 458/4 at Feltham ready for the increase in usage from tomorrow.

I noticed that today as well.

 

[Siemens Staines]

I was not certain, but in the fading light last night I think that the pair nearest the running lines was 458423 & 458425 which hitherto have not worked passenger. But, I stress, I am not certain of that and I could be wrong. All should be revealed tomorrow morning when two pairs should be in traffic.

 

[Dstock7080]

2 pairs of 458/4 at Feltham ready for the increase in usage from tomorrow.

One of them already had the emergency windows open in several cars ready for service too!

 

[swr444]

One of them already had the emergency windows open in several cars ready for service too!

Was probably done when in service on Friday and haven’t been closed since

 

[norbitonflyer]

I was not certain, but in the fading light last night I think that the pair nearest the running lines was 458423 & 458425 which hitherto have not worked passenger. But, I stress, I am not certain of that and I could be wrong. All should be revealed tomorrow morning when two pairs should be in traffic.

RTT has 415+421 on the original diagram (2S09 etc) and 420+422 on the new one (2V05 etc)

 

[Siemens Staines]

RTT has 415+421 on the original diagram (2S09 etc) and 420+422 on the new one (2V05 etc)

I think I need to book another eye test!

 

[GW43125]

RTT has 415+421 on the original diagram (2S09 etc) and 420+422 on the new one (2V05 etc)

Can confirm I passed 420 on 2R11.

One of them already had the emergency windows open in several cars ready for service too!

Pet peeve of mine, 421/415 had them open in 7 of 8 vehicles on Friday, despite the Aircon working. Bet you it isn't working anymore...

 

[Goldfish62]

Pet peeve of mine, 421/415 had them open in 7 of 8 vehicles on Friday, despite the Aircon working. Bet you it isn't working anymore...

I often go on 458s where all or some of the windows are open but the aircon is working fine.

 

[TEW]

458413+458427 entered service this afternoon on 2S45.

 

[TT-ONR-NRN]

Are there plans to wrap up the final 458/5 diagrams anytime soon?

 

[norbitonflyer]

458413+458427 entered service this afternoon on 2S45.

So that's six units in service within a month (and all six in operation on the same day) . Meanwhile, after six months, only five 701s have entered service, and never more than one a day.

They don't make them like they used to...................... !

 

[Purple Train]

458413+458427 entered service this afternoon on 2S45.

458427 definitely looks (and smells!) very new inside. 458/5s are one of the most comfortable units on the network in my opinion; I am at least glad that the significant downgrade I expected didn't come to pass, and that they are actually being used!

The acceleration has seemed pretty slow - a consequence of the re-gearing, I presume?

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The PIS is also warning us to be in the front 8 coaches for Syon Lane or Hounslow!

 

[swr444]

458427 definitely looks (and smells!) very new inside. 458/5s are one of the most comfortable units on the network in my opinion; I am at least glad that the significant downgrade I expected didn't come to pass, and that they are actually being used!

The acceleration has seemed pretty slow - a consequence of the re-gearing, I presume?

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The PIS is also warning us to be in the front 8 coaches for Syon Lane or Hounslow!

probably slow between barnes and kew bridge due to drivers having to use "power reduction mode or notch 2 only" due to problems with the power cables. I presume this will be resolved during the line closure next weekend.

The PIS has yet to be updated, doesn't seem like it will happen for another few months!

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So that's six units in service within a month (and all six in operation on the same day) . Meanwhile, after six months, only five 701s have entered service, and never more than one a day.

They don't make them like they used to...................... !

I don't think you can compare them to a brand-new train, they've literally taken a carriage out and re-geared them to what they were like originally. the 458's were terrible units when they first came into service.

 

[Purple Train]

probably slow between barnes and kew bridge due to drivers having to use "power reduction mode or notch 2 only" due to problems with the power cables. I presume this will be resolved during the line closure next weekend.

Ah right, thank you!

 

[OneTrackMinded]

So that's six units in service within a month (and all six in operation on the same day) . Meanwhile, after six months, only five 701s have entered service, and never more than one a day.

They don't make them like they used to...................... !

Really not a fair comparison. One is a refurbishment, one is a new train type. One uses the same method of operation, one does not. Etc Etc.

 

[Dr_Intoxicated]

458427 definitely looks (and smells!) very new inside. 458/5s are one of the most comfortable units on the network in my opinion; I am at least glad that the significant downgrade I expected didn't come to pass, and that they are actually being used!

The acceleration has seemed pretty slow - a consequence of the re-gearing, I presume?

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The PIS is also warning us to be in the front 8 coaches for Syon Lane or Hounslow!

Yes I enjoyed my trip on one. Far too good for the Portsmouth line, keep them for London

 

[OneTrackMinded]

the acceleration has seemed pretty slow - a consequence of the re-gearing, I presume?

Yes indeed. Yet for some reason they brag about how it has improved acceleration all over the press releases.. no clue why.

 

[janahan]

There was never much of a difference in acceleration when they went from four to five, as the extra length (yet same number of powered axles) countered the lower gearing.

 

[WarrenTManager]

What is back though is the boost capability, where if a traction pack is lost, the other two produce 50% more output to negate any loss from that traction pack being out. That was isolated on a 5 car.

 

[GW43125]

Had 420 this morning, plenty of "nice new train" comments being thrown around!

 

[Benno]

458518 is the next unit to head for Widnes. It should leave Bournemouth depot Tuesday 30th July.

 

[TT-ONR-NRN]

458518 is the next unit to head for Widnes. It should leave Bournemouth depot Tuesday 30th July.

Leaving which serviceable /5s please?

 

[Siemens Staines]

As the Wednesday prior to departure for Widnes is the usual stop day, then presumably 518 will get stopped when it arrives at Wimbledon Park tomorrow morning. That will leave 11 units for 10 diagrams, although I do not know what the plan is for 514 and whether it will return to service as a 5xx at some point?

458502,503,506,511,519
458529,530,532,533,535,536

 

[antharro]

Just seen 408 and 401 passing through Bournemouth looking very shiny.

 

[swr444]

No 458/4s next week due to the closure between Barnes and Kew Bridge

 

[Goldfish62]

They don't make them like they used to...................... !

Were you around when the 458s were first introduced 24 years ago? "Interesting" times.

 

[Dr_Intoxicated]

Were you around when the 458s were first introduced 24 years ago? "Interesting" times.

But they were turned round by Wimbledon to become the most reliable

 

[TEW]

No 458/4s next week due to the closure between Barnes and Kew Bridge

There are still 2 pairs diagrammed next week.

2R03 0615 Twickenham to Kew Bridge
2S09 0650 Kew Bridge to Weybridge
2S18 0802 Weybridge to Kew Bridge
2V15 0904 Kew Bridge to Waterloo
2R41 1515 Waterloo to Kew Bridge
2S47 1620 Kew Bridge to Weybridge
2S56 1740 Weybridge to Kew Bridge
2V53 1835 Kew Bridge to Twickenham

2V05 0648 Hounslow to Waterloo
2R11 0745 Waterloo to Kew Bridge
2S17 0850 Kew Bridge to Weybridge
2S26 1003 Weybridge to Kew Bridge
2S27 1120 Kew Bridge to Weybridge
2S36 1233 Weybridge to Kew Bridge
2S37 1350 Kew Bridge to Weybridge
2S46 1503 Weybridge to Kew Bridge
2V43 1605 Kew Bridge to Waterloo
2R49 1715 Waterloo to Kew Bridge
2S55 1820 Kew Bridge to Weybridge
2S64 1933 Weybridge to Kew Bridge
2S65 2050 Kew Bridge to Weybridge
2S74 2203 Weybridge to Kew Bridge
2S75 2320 Kew Bridge to Weybridge