SWR Class 458/4s: fleet status and withdrawal updates

[Siemens Staines]

On Thursday it looks like there could possibly be a planned swap of 458(s) in store at Strawberry Hill?

5Q97 1046 Strawberry Hill C.S.D. to Wimbledon Park Depot Sdgs
https://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/service/gb-nr:Q53406/2026-09-17/detailed
5Q98 1315 Wimbledon Park Depot Sdgs to Strawberry Hill C.S.D.
https://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/service/gb-nr:Q53407/2026-09-17/detailed

5Q97 has departed with 458414 and 5Q98 is allocated 458428.

Whether or not 458414 returns to passenger service remains to be seen.

 

[Peter Sarf]

5Q97 has departed with 458414 and 5Q98 is allocated 458428.

Whether or not 458414 returns to passenger service remains to be seen.

Would I be right in thinking the 458/4s stored at Strawberry Hill are more likely to see action again than those way down in Bournemouth ?.

Also am l right to assume some rotation of 458/4s is likely so as to keep them healthy but also will have to happen if any in service have reached their deadline for a service/overhaul ?. (assuming here that SWR are not going to spend on unnecessary work).

 

[Siemens Staines]

One pair of 458/4 is allocated to passenger services today which is shown as vice 701 on journeycheck (Friday 18.09.26).

458412 + 458423
06:23 Windsor & Eton Riverside to London Waterloo due 07:22
07:33 London Waterloo to Windsor & Eton Riverside due 08:26
08:53 Windsor & Eton Riverside to London Waterloo due 09:53
10:03 London Waterloo to Windsor & Eton Riverside due 10:56
11:23 Windsor & Eton Riverside to London Waterloo due 12:20
12:33 London Waterloo to Windsor & Eton Riverside due 13:26
13:53 Windsor & Eton Riverside to London Waterloo due 14:49
15:03 London Waterloo to Windsor & Eton Riverside due 15:56
16:23 Windsor & Eton Riverside to London Waterloo due 17:19
17:33 London Waterloo to Windsor & Eton Riverside due 18:28
18:53 Windsor & Eton Riverside to London Waterloo due 19:49
20:03 London Waterloo to Windsor & Eton Riverside due 20:56
21:23 Windsor & Eton Riverside to London Waterloo due 22:19
22:33 London Waterloo to Windsor & Eton Riverside due 23:26
23:36 Windsor & Eton Riverside to London Waterloo due 00:35
Will be formed of 8 coaches instead of 10.
Last Updated:18/09/2026 04:58

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Three pairs of 458/4 are allocated to passenger services today, one of which is shown as vice 701 on journeycheck (Monday 21.09.26). This includes 458414 which is the first return to passenger service of a unit which had been in warm store.

458414 + 458415
06:33 London Waterloo to Windsor & Eton Riverside due 07:29
07:51 Windsor & Eton Riverside to London Waterloo due 08:51
09:03 London Waterloo to Windsor & Eton Riverside due 09:59
10:21 Windsor & Eton Riverside to London Waterloo due 11:19
11:33 London Waterloo to Windsor & Eton Riverside due 12:29
12:51 Windsor & Eton Riverside to London Waterloo due 13:49
14:03 London Waterloo to Windsor & Eton Riverside due 15:01
15:21 Windsor & Eton Riverside to London Waterloo due 16:19
16:33 London Waterloo to Windsor & Eton Riverside due 17:31
17:51 Windsor & Eton Riverside to London Waterloo due 18:49
19:03 London Waterloo to Windsor & Eton Riverside due 19:59
20:21 Windsor & Eton Riverside to London Waterloo due 21:19
21:33 London Waterloo to Windsor & Eton Riverside due 22:29
22:51 Windsor & Eton Riverside to London Waterloo due 23:49
00:03 London Waterloo to Staines due 00:43
Will be formed of 8 coaches instead of 10.
Last Updated:21/09/2026 04:15

The other two pairs are not shown as short-formed, so I assume are the aforementioned new booked diagrams for the class which were booked 2*450 until last week.

458402 + 458404
2C09 0618 London Waterloo to Reading
2C20 0809 Reading to London Waterloo
2C23 0948 London Waterloo to Reading
2C34 1139 Reading to London Waterloo
2S37 1322 London Waterloo to Weybridge
2S46 1503 Weybridge to London Waterloo
2V47 1637 London Waterloo to London Waterloo
2R53 1815 London Waterloo to London Waterloo
2S65 2022 London Waterloo to Weybridge
2S74 2203 Weybridge to London Waterloo

458412 + 458423
2Y03 0506 Clapham Junction to Weybridge
1S12 0632 Weybridge to London Waterloo
2V13 0807 London Waterloo to London Waterloo

Obviously there will be an evening peak leg to the 2Y03 diagram.

 

[SECR 65]

Will more pairs be needed in the 'short-term servicable pool' if there are now two booked diagrams plus the existing 1-2+ units of 701 cover?

 

[Siemens Staines]

Obviously there will be an evening peak leg to the 2Y03 diagram.

Well obviously I was wrong. The 458s worked in the morning peak only and a fresh pair of 450s off Wimbledon worked in the evening peak only. The 2C09 diagram that was 2*458 yesterday, is 2*450 today. It is possible that both diagrams yesterday, that I thought are booked 2*458, are in fact still booked 2*450? I am confused.

Two pairs of 458/4 are allocated to passenger services, one of which is shown as vice 701 on journeycheck today (Tuesday 22.09.26). 2Y03 may or may not be vice 2*450.

458414 + 458415
06:54 Windsor & Eton Riverside to London Waterloo due 07:54
08:03 London Waterloo to Windsor & Eton Riverside due 08:59
09:21 Windsor & Eton Riverside to London Waterloo due 10:19
10:33 London Waterloo to Windsor & Eton Riverside due 11:29
11:51 Windsor & Eton Riverside to London Waterloo due 12:49
13:03 London Waterloo to Windsor & Eton Riverside due 13:59
14:21 Windsor & Eton Riverside to London Waterloo due 15:19
15:33 London Waterloo to Windsor & Eton Riverside due 16:29
16:51 Windsor & Eton Riverside to London Waterloo due 17:49
18:03 London Waterloo to Windsor & Eton Riverside due 19:01
19:21 Windsor & Eton Riverside to London Waterloo due 20:20
20:33 London Waterloo to Windsor & Eton Riverside due 21:29
21:51 Windsor & Eton Riverside to London Waterloo due 22:49
23:03 London Waterloo to Windsor & Eton Riverside due 23:59
Will be formed of 8 coaches instead of 10.
Last Updated:22/09/2026 03:58

458402 + 458404
2Y03 0506 Clapham Junction to Weybridge
1S12 0632 Weybridge to London Waterloo current service
2V13 0807 London Waterloo to London Waterloo

 

[TEW]

The diagrams starting 2C09 and 2Y03 are both booked 8-458.

 

[Siemens Staines]

The diagrams starting 2C09 and 2Y03 are both booked 8-458.

Thank you. Do you know if the diagram starting 2Y03 is supposed to come out again in the evening peak, or is it a morning peak only diagram.

 

[WWTownEnth]

Status of fleet

458401 stored at Bournemouth
458402 In passenger service
458403 stored at Bournemouth
458404 In passenger service
458405 stored at Bournemouth
458406 stored at Bournemouth
458407 stored at Bournemouth
458408 stored at Strawberry Hill
458409 stored at Strawberry Hill
458410 stored at Bournemouth
458411 stored at Bournemouth
458412 In passenger service
458413 stored at Strawberry Hill
458414 stored at Strawberry Hill
458415 In passenger service
458416 stored at Strawberry Hill
458417 stored at Bournemouth
458418 stored at Bournemouth
458419 stored at Bournemouth
458420 stored at Bournemouth
458421 In passenger service
458422 stored at Bournemouth
458423 In passenger service
458424 stored at Strawberry Hill
458425 stored at Bournemouth
458426 In passenger service
458427 stored at Strawberry Hill
458428 In passenger service

8/28 in passenger service
13/28 stored at Bournemouth
7/28 stored at Strawberry Hill

Is anyone able to provide an update on which units are currently stored at SH and Bournemouth please? This list is a little out of date, I fear, and I’d like to correct it…..

 

[TEW]

Thank you. Do you know if the diagram starting 2Y03 is supposed to come out again in the evening peak, or is it a morning peak only diagram.

Booked to come out for 2R45, the 1615 Hounslow Rounder, which was 8-450 yesterday.

 

[Siemens Staines]

Booked to come out for 2R45, the 1615 Hounslow Rounder, which was 8-450 yesterday.

Thank you, your information is much appreciated.

Is anyone able to provide an update on which units are currently stored at SH and Bournemouth please? This list is a little out of date, I fear, and I’d like to correct it…..

I think the stored 458/4 locations are

Bournemouth 401,403,405-407,410,411,417-420,422,425
Strawberry Hill 408,409,413,416,424,427,428

plus I think that 426 is stored at Wimbledon because it has not been in service for over a month

 

[WWTownEnth]

Status of fleet

458401 stored at Bournemouth
458402 In passenger service
458403 stored at Bournemouth
458404 In passenger service
458405 stored at Bournemouth
458406 stored at Bournemouth
458407 stored at Bournemouth
458408 stored at Strawberry Hill
458409 stored at Strawberry Hill
458410 stored at Bournemouth
458411 stored at Bournemouth
458412 In passenger service
458413 stored at Strawberry Hill
458414 In passenger service
458415 In passenger service
458416 stored at Strawberry Hill
458417 stored at Bournemouth
458418 stored at Bournemouth
458419 stored at Bournemouth
458420 stored at Bournemouth
458421 In passenger service
458422 stored at Bournemouth
458423 In passenger service
458424 stored at Strawberry Hill
458425 stored at Bournemouth
458426 stored at Wimbledon
458427 stored at Strawberry Hill
458428 stored at Strawberry Hill

7/28 in passenger service
13/28 stored at Bournemouth
7/28 stored at Strawberry Hill
1/28 stored at Wimbledon

Updated with many thanks for the info.

 

[swt_passenger]

Yes but SWR promised a lot of things, didn't they, from Portsmouth to Weymouth trains to exclusively Wessex Electrics on the Portsmouth fasts
I thought it was one of the many promises that ended up dead and buried.

To be fair it was probably the public objections that led to Portsmouth - Weymouth being binned. Minor stations to Weymouth would have lost their direct service to Waterloo, IIRC. That aspect was withdrawn during consultation.

 

[Goldfish62]

To be fair it was probably the public objections that led to Portsmouth - Weymouth being binned. Minor stations to Weymouth would have lost their direct service to Waterloo, IIRC. That aspect was withdrawn during consultation.

And the whole Dec 2019 timetable proposal first got postponed due to the late arrival of the 701s, then shelved due to Covid.

 

[SECR 65]

So does it seem that the 458/4s are now out of service?

The past couple of days from the 701 thread any outstanding diagrams which the 450s can't cover are being cancelled?

 

[Siemens Staines]

So does it seem that the 458/4s are now out of service?

The past couple of days from the 701 thread any outstanding diagrams which the 450s can't cover are being cancelled?

The 458s have now settled down to only working their booked diagrams which is why I haven't posted them every day. Today

458404 + 458402 2C09 0618 London Waterloo to Reading etc.
458414 + 458415 2Y03 0506 Clapham Junction to Weybridge etc.

The 450s displaced from these two turns now appear to be covering for absentee 701s, which is the work 458/4s were doing until last week.

 

[Peter Sarf]

The 458s have now settled down to only working their booked diagrams which is why I haven't posted them every day. Today

458404 + 458402 2C09 0618 London Waterloo to Reading etc.
458414 + 458415 2Y03 0506 Clapham Junction to Weybridge etc.

The 450s displaced from these two turns now appear to be covering for absentee 701s, which is the work 458/4s were doing until last week.

I have noticed it is only two pairs. Seems not to have been three pairs for quite a while even if three (or more) 701 diagrams are not covered by 701s ?.

 

[Siemens Staines]

Today sees the first 2*458/4 allocated vice 701 for a few days (Saturday 26.09.26) replacing 701029 which was on this diagram, but has been stepped up to replace an earlier 701 failure.

458402 + 458414
10:33 London Waterloo to Windsor & Eton Riverside due 11:30
11:50 Windsor & Eton Riverside to London Waterloo due 12:51
13:03 London Waterloo to Windsor & Eton Riverside due 14:00
14:20 Windsor & Eton Riverside to London Waterloo due 15:21
15:33 London Waterloo to Windsor & Eton Riverside due 16:31
16:50 Windsor & Eton Riverside to London Waterloo due 17:52
18:03 London Waterloo to Windsor & Eton Riverside due 19:00
19:20 Windsor & Eton Riverside to London Waterloo due 20:23
20:33 London Waterloo to Windsor & Eton Riverside due 21:30
21:50 Windsor & Eton Riverside to London Waterloo due 22:51
Will be formed of 8 coaches instead of 10.
Last Updated:26/09/2026 08:28

 

[WWTownEnth]

004
009
014
026
039
050
057

Are the SEVEN I can’t see allocated to diagrams today

 

[swr444]

004
009
014
026
039
050
057

Are the SEVEN I can’t see allocated to diagrams today

Wrong thread ?

 

[Siemens Staines]

If they run, it looks like there is another planned exchange of 458s in warm store today (Monday 28.09.26)

5Q97 1118 Strawberry Hill C.S.D. to Wimbledon Park Depot Sdgs

https://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/service/gb-nr:Q54529/2026-09-28/detailed

5Q98 1315 Wimbledon Park Depot Sdgs to Strawberry Hill C.S.D.

https://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/service/gb-nr:Q54528/2026-09-28/detailed

 

[ollie2391]

I’ve also noticed the rise in 450s covering for 701s on Fridays. My train home, 2U69, was a 450. How come they’re sending 450s out to cover for 701s instead of using 458s to cover instead?

 

[Siemens Staines]

I’ve also noticed the rise in 450s covering for 701s on Fridays. My train home, 2U69, was a 450. How come they’re sending 450s out to cover for 701s instead of using 458s to cover instead?

It has been mentioned previously that lack of crew knowledge was becoming an increasing problem with using 458s ad-hoc. I assume that this was the reason behind changing two 2*450 diagrams to be 2*458 so that it is known well in advance which trains need to be rostered crews that still sign 458s. The two pairs of 450 are then freed up to cover for 701s should the need arise, which is more often than it isn't.

Is any kind soul able to advise which units worked 5Q97 and 5Q98 today. Many thanks in advance.

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If they run, it looks like there is another planned exchange of 458s in warm store today (Monday 28.09.26)

5Q97 1118 Strawberry Hill C.S.D. to Wimbledon Park Depot Sdgs

https://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/service/gb-nr:Q54529/2026-09-28/detailed

5Q98 1315 Wimbledon Park Depot Sdgs to Strawberry Hill C.S.D.

https://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/service/gb-nr:Q54528/2026-09-28/detailed

Retrospectively they were allocated

5Q97 458416 + 458427
5Q98 458426

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Despite not being activated 5Q98 is visible running on signal maps. I guess this involves 458(s) going in to store. Does anyone have any more details of the unit(s) involved?

5Q98 1315 Wimbledon Park Depot Sdgs to Strawberry Hill C.S.D.

https://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/service/gb-nr:Q58589/2026-10-05/detailed

 

[Chiltern 165]

Does anyone know which (if any) 458s will be out on Wednesday (07/10/26) and if so which services they are working?

 

[Siemens Staines]

Does anyone know which (if any) 458s will be out on Wednesday (07/10/26) and if so which services they are working?

They now tend to stick to their booked diagrams

5C09 0542 Wimbledon Park Depot Sdgs to London Waterloo
2C09 0618 London Waterloo to Reading
2C20 0809 Reading to London Waterloo
2C23 0948 London Waterloo to Reading
2C34 1139 Reading to London Waterloo
2S37 1322 London Waterloo to Weybridge
2S46 1503 Weybridge to London Waterloo
2V47 1637 London Waterloo to London Waterloo
2R53 1815 London Waterloo to London Waterloo
2S65 2022 London Waterloo to Weybridge
2S74 2203 Weybridge to London Waterloo
5Y40 0020 London Waterloo to Clapham Yard Sidings

5Y03 0445 Clapham Yard Sidings to Clapham Junction
2Y03 0506 Clapham Junction to Weybridge
1S12 0632 Weybridge to London Waterloo
2V13 0807 London Waterloo to London Waterloo
5Y84 0942 London Waterloo to Wimbledon Park Depot Sdgs
5R45 1551 Wimbledon Park Depot Sdgs to London Waterloo
2R45 1615 London Waterloo to London Waterloo
2S55 1752 London Waterloo to Weybridge
2S64 1933 Weybridge to London Waterloo
5Y65 2111 London Waterloo to Wimbledon Park Depot Sdgs

Most likely will involve the pairs that are active today, 458402 + 458423, 458412 + 458414, 458416 + 458427.
458404, 458415, 458421 were at Wimbledon but something unknown went to Strawberry Hill on 5Q98 today which quite possibly was one (or more) of these three.

 

[Chiltern 165]

They now tend to stick to their booked diagrams

5C09 0542 Wimbledon Park Depot Sdgs to London Waterloo
2C09 0618 London Waterloo to Reading
2C20 0809 Reading to London Waterloo
2C23 0948 London Waterloo to Reading
2C34 1139 Reading to London Waterloo
2S37 1322 London Waterloo to Weybridge
2S46 1503 Weybridge to London Waterloo
2V47 1637 London Waterloo to London Waterloo
2R53 1815 London Waterloo to London Waterloo
2S65 2022 London Waterloo to Weybridge
2S74 2203 Weybridge to London Waterloo
5Y40 0020 London Waterloo to Clapham Yard Sidings

5Y03 0445 Clapham Yard Sidings to Clapham Junction
2Y03 0506 Clapham Junction to Weybridge
1S12 0632 Weybridge to London Waterloo
2V13 0807 London Waterloo to London Waterloo
5Y84 0942 London Waterloo to Wimbledon Park Depot Sdgs
5R45 1551 Wimbledon Park Depot Sdgs to London Waterloo
2R45 1615 London Waterloo to London Waterloo
2S55 1752 London Waterloo to Weybridge
2S64 1933 Weybridge to London Waterloo
5Y65 2111 London Waterloo to Wimbledon Park Depot Sdgs

Most likely will involve the pairs that are active today, 458402 + 458423, 458412 + 458414, 458416 + 458427.
458404, 458415, 458421 were at Wimbledon but something unknown went to Strawberry Hill on 5Q98 today which quite possibly was one (or more) of these three.

Cheers! Do they change short term much?