Switching from London Overground to Underground on Oyster

[Class_317]

Hi all, Not sure if this would be the correct place to ask this but though it would be worth a shot.

I was asked by a friend:

If you were to travel from Richmond to West Hampstead using the Overground, then change to the Jubilee line to complete the journey to St. John's Wood using an Oyster card:

Would you be charged twice for changing at West Hampstead (Barriers at both stations even though they are only 50m apart)?

I simply couldn't answer... :?

 

[district]

I believe there is an out of station interchange (OSI) at this location, so as long as you touch out at one and in at the other within a reasonable time, and then touch out at your final destination it will be treated as a through journey.

 

[Class_317]

I believe there is an out of station interchange (OSI) at this location, so as long as you touch out at one and in at the other within a reasonable time, and then touch out at your final destination it will be treated as a through journey.

Thank you.

 

[bb21]

For more details, see here.

district is correct. It is an OSI, and she should not be charged separately for a fare if she spends no more than 20 minutes between touching out at the Overground gatelines and touching in at the Underground gatelines.

 

[1E05]

District is correct I've done it plenty of times through Shadwell - same scenario. But you must touch out and back in and out again at your destination otherwise it will not be recognised.

 

[yorkie]

http://www.tfl.gov.uk/tfl/tickets/f...ternate&on=Richmond&dn=St+Johns+Wood&ft=Adult

Alternative Oyster single fares:

Route 1: Avoiding Zone 1 via West Hampstead

£2.30 M-F 0600-0930 & 1600-1900
£1.50 At all other times inc public holidays

You may also find our RailUK Fares & Ticketing Guide helpful

2.1.1 Alternative routes

Sometimes there will be multiple available routes between some stations, which may be charged at different rates. You can look up the fares for a route with the Single Fare Finder. The umbrella term National Railcard is used to refer to all National Rail railcards (16-25, Senior etc) that can be loaded onto an Oyster. Click the Alternative fares button if it appears under the default fare after searching.

The default fare is charged if you do not pass through any gatelines at intermediate stations or touch any Route Validators (pink readers) en route, except where there are no routes that do not need intermediate touches. Touches at appropriate intermediate gatelines (for example when interchanging between National Rail and tube services) or when passing Route Validators will indicate to the system that you have taken an alternative route, and ensure that you are charged the relevant alternative fare. If in doubt, always touch a Route Validator if you pass one, as there are no adverse effects for touching one when not necessary.

Where there are no intermediate gatelines or Route Validators en route for two different-priced routes, you will usually be given the benefit of the doubt and the default fare will be the lower of the two routes.

Note that alternative fares are only provided for routes that TfL consider reasonable, so whilst it might be possible to take a long route with many changes avoiding certain zones between two stations, if it is too complex, there will be no alternative fare will be available, and you will be charged the default fare irrespective of route taken.

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2.1.3 Out of Station Interchange (OSI)

Sometimes you can change between rail/tube modes without touching out and in (eg between National Rail and DLR at Greenwich), but usually it is necessary. The system is programmed with a number of such interchanges, and will join such journeys together to form a single journey. The time allowed varies dependent on the distance involved and the frequency of trains on the next leg. Thus an Underground to National Rail OSI will often allow more time than the opposite National Rail to Underground OSI, particularly if passengers usually wait on a concourse after touching back in until their train is advertised...

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