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mattdickinson

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Centro have released their version of TfL's Oystercard

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The SWIFT card is a transport smartcard issued by Centro to help simplify public transport ticketing. Initially the SWIFT card will incorporate the 'SWIFT pay as you go' which can only be used to pay electronically for cash fares. However, other functionality such as the ability to load and use season tickets will follow shortly.

It's valid on buses only at the moment but I believe there are plans to extend it to trains and the metro.
 
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Centro have released their version of TfL's Oystercard

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It's valid on buses only at the moment but I believe there are plans to extend it to trains and the metro.

Unfortunately doesn't seem to be valid on NX - I suspect usage will be limited until it is - and until it starts capping or allowing day/season tickets.
 

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They've been trialling it for a while iirc. As Deerfold said it'll be largely useless until it caps and NX accept it.
 

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Ordered mine.

I would assume Season tickets will transfer to it but they still need to put the infrastructure in at many rail stations and on the Metro.
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It needs to be capping at the price of an nBus or nNetwork ticket dependant on the services used.
 
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According to the website:

Paying for a journey with SWIFT pay as you go is easy. Place your SWIFT card on the card reader on the bus until the green light is displayed. The cost of the journey is deducted from the credit stored on the card. A ticket will be printed to show you the cost of the bus journey and the pay as you go credit left on your SWIFT card.

How is the system supposed to know the fare? AFAIK they don't have a flat fare system in the West Midlands.
 

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According to the website:



How is the card supposed to know the fare? AFAIK they don't have a flat fare system in the West Midlands.

Fares are listed here, so assume it will be a flat fare for journeys paid by Swift: http://www.networkwestmidlands.com/Swiftcard/fares.aspx

Most operators cash fares mirror NX whose adult fares are £1.70 (really short journeys) and £1.90, so for the majority of journeys Swift will save 15p. Also bear in mind £1.90 is an awkward amount in coins with many cash fare passengers overpaying at £2, so further incentive to save.
 

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Fares are listed here, so assume it will be a flat fare for journeys paid by Swift: http://www.networkwestmidlands.com/Swiftcard/fares.aspx

Most operators cash fares mirror NX whose adult fares are £1.70 (really short journeys) and £1.90, so for the majority of journeys Swift will save 15p. Also bear in mind £1.90 is an awkward amount in coins with many cash fare passengers overpaying at £2, so further incentive to save.

Do most operators in Birmingham not give change?

Given the operator day tickets seem to be only slightly more than the cost of 2 bus journeys I suspect they might be quite popular.
 

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Each operator has a flat fare, according to the FAQ http://www.networkwestmidlands.com/Swiftcard/fares.aspx

OK, that's not too bad. I was thinking for a while that they were following the Dublin system where you have to tell the driver what fare you want.

Fares are still quite low in the West Midlands for single journeys not requiring a change, although of course single journeys requiring a change are expensive at over £3.
 

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Do most operators in Birmingham not give change?

Given the operator day tickets seem to be only slightly more than the cost of 2 bus journeys I suspect they might be quite popular.

It depends how you define most operators. Most bus operating companies do but such is the dominance of NXWM who don't that most bus journeys do not give change. It's a pretty good system for speedy boarding.
 

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It's a pretty good system for speedy boarding.

It is the fastest way of paying on the bus in cash, but of course it is not faster than paying for tickets off bus, such as with books of 4/10 tickets, strip tickets and bus stop ticket machines.
 

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Do most operators in Birmingham not give change?

Given the operator day tickets seem to be only slightly more than the cost of 2 bus journeys I suspect they might be quite popular.

NX don't, but most others do, but NX is very dominant so the majority of buses don't.

An NX-only day ticket costs £3.80 which is 2x £1.90 single journey. I don't *think* any other operators do operator-only day tickets, and instead sell the multi-operator nBus day ticket at £4.00, which NX also sell.


I wonder why? Surely it removes one of the big advantages of using a smartcard... speedier boarding. Boarding times will not be reduced by much if passengers still have to wait for a ticket to be printed.

I suspect most won't bother to take the ticket. Cash paying passengers don't always take their ticket now unless it's a day ticket, and you can end up with a stream of many tickets spewing out of the ticket machine until someone does take theirs. To their credit, the ticket printer on NX buses is positioned to the right of the driver, so the next person can already be dropping money into the chute while you take your ticket.

From my observations existing smart cards (in the form of concessionary passes) have actually slowed boarding down on NX. The readers on NX buses are badly positioned and aren't very reliable or clear when they've read the card (compared to Oyster readers on most London buses), so people leave them on for longer than necessary, and wait for the driver to give the nod that it's worked.

It is the fastest way of paying on the bus in cash, but of course it is not faster than paying for tickets off bus, such as with books of 4/10 tickets, strip tickets and bus stop ticket machines.

None of which currently exist in the West Midlands, although NX do sell date scratch-off day tickets at their travel shops.
 
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NX don't, but most others do, but NX is very dominant so the majority of buses don't.

An NX-only day ticket costs £3.80 which is 2x £1.90 single journey. I don't *think* any other operators do operator-only day tickets, and instead sell the multi-operator nBus day ticket at £4.00, which NX also sell.


So for the operators which take the ticket they'd get change from their 2 pounds anyway?

Diamond buses do a variety of day tickets - http://www.diamondbuses.com/black/Fares.aspx

As do Central - http://centralbuses.com/pdf/fares.pdf
 

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Most smartcard implementations in the UK up to now seem to rely on the passenger placing the card on top of the machine, waiting for the light and then picking it up again. That is quite tedious compared to Oyster, where you just tap the side of the reader.
 

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Most smartcard implementations in the UK up to now seem to rely on the passenger placing the card on top of the machine, waiting for the light and then picking it up again. That is quite tedious compared to Oyster, where you just tap the side of the reader.

Most smartcard systems except Oyster aren't "smart" in any sense, they're just an electronic wallet. Which is useful where operators don't give change, but not using the full potential of smartcard systems.
 

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An NX-only day ticket costs £3.80 which is 2x £1.90 single journey. I don't *think* any other operators do operator-only day tickets, and instead sell the multi-operator nBus day ticket at £4.00, which NX also sell.

The Green Bus has a £3 day ticket ( http://www.thegreenbus.co.uk/news/#43 )
Diamond has a £3.70 day ticket within the West Midlands ( http://www.diamondbuses.com/black/Fares.aspx )
Arriva's £6 Midlands day saver is valid on its services, of course ( http://www.arrivabus.co.uk/multi-journey-saver-tickets-in-midlands/ )
Central Buses has a one-day ticket at £3.20 ( http://centralbuses.com/pdf/fares.pdf ).
All the above prices for one adult.
Hansons has family day tickets at £7 on route 004 only.

NX do sell date scratch-off day tickets at their travel shops.

The website refers only to packs of five being on sale at NXWM travel shops, however.
 

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The website refers only to packs of five being on sale at NXWM travel shops, however.

Yeah, that changed a couple of months back I believe. They sell five packs for £17.50 which is £3.50 per ticket. I usually get about 10 in December before the annual fare rise
 

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The Green Bus has a £3 day ticket ( http://www.thegreenbus.co.uk/news/#43 )
Diamond has a £3.70 day ticket within the West Midlands ( http://www.diamondbuses.com/black/Fares.aspx )
Arriva's £6 Midlands day saver is valid on its services, of course ( http://www.arrivabus.co.uk/multi-journey-saver-tickets-in-midlands/ )
Central Buses has a one-day ticket at £3.20 ( http://centralbuses.com/pdf/fares.pdf ).
All the above prices for one adult.
Hansons has family day tickets at £7 on route 004 only.

I stand corrected, and note there is one on Midland too this morning.

I used a Travel Express number 11 this evening, all kitted out for Swift, with a bright prominent logo on the front (next to the n logo) and side (next to the accepted passes notice), and a large banner stuck to the window on the inside of the bus. If they roll this amount of branding on NX it will get noticed quickly, however knowing NX they will probably eventually incorporate it into their own side-window fares information, after sticking a poorly-photocopied sheet of A4 on an internal wall where most people will miss it.
 

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Or have it with national express coventry logos whilst being a Pensnett bus. Yes I'm looking at 582!
 
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