Sutton disruption 25/2

[cjohnson]

Major issues on FCC and Southern this morning as a result of "electrical supply problems" at Sutton - looks like the platform itself was smoking at one point:

Caused some significant disruption for the morning peak - one service was stuck outside Sutton for almost 3 hours.

 

[Peter Mugridge]

More details here from the local rag:

http://www.epsomguardian.co.uk/news...uthern_and_Thameslink_rail_network/?ref=var_0

No trains ran through Sutton Station this morning after an electrical cable explosion - causing severe travel disruption across the rail network in south-west London.

Southern Railway and First Capital Connect services ground to a halt after the fire was reported on platform two just after 7am.

Sutton Station reopened at 11.30am but there are still severe delays.

 

[High Dyke]

Could the respective TOC be fined for allowing smoking on the platform?

 

[DXMachina]

Could the respective TOC be fined for allowing smoking on the platform?

They'll use the Clinton Defence

Nobody inhaled

 

[theageofthetra]

There have been a few of these recently (not just on railways) is it likely to be water from all the rain getting into the connectors?

 

[asylumxl]

More details here from the local rag:

http://www.epsomguardian.co.uk/news...uthern_and_Thameslink_rail_network/?ref=var_0

No trains ran through Sutton Station this morning after an electrical cable explosion - causing severe travel disruption across the rail network in south-west London.

Southern Railway and First Capital Connect services ground to a halt after the fire was reported on platform two just after 7am.

Sutton Station reopened at 11.30am but there are still severe delays.

The paper is talking an absolute load of rubbish. I was on a train bound for Sutton at the time and it most certainly did not grind to a halt. The train did terminate early but as far as I can tell FCC dealt with the disruption quickly.

 

[transmanche]

The paper is talking an absolute load of rubbish..

No, they're using a figure of speech.

 

[Southernrover]

I was at Sutton around midday and the part of the platform that was gently smoking away had been dug up and cables were being exposed so it was definately a cable issue.
Overheard conversation between two ornage overalls was that one cable had gone up and taken another with it.
Talk of Wall of death line being single end fed from Wimbledon.

 

[user15681]

Services were still disrupted at 1400. Most Sutton loop TL services were running to Wimbledon, with one or two advertised as going through to Sutton. One staff member was quoted as saying up to three quarters of a mile of cable may need replacing on one news article

 

[Domh245]

I was quite surprised when I saw an empty SN 455/8 rolling into Wimbledon this morning at the same time as my tram. I thought that there must have been problems, although Real Time Trains didn't show anything out of the blue with them. The PIS on the platform didn't quite know what to do either, as the stopped train (with doors released) was described as not stopping.

 

[asylumxl]

No, they're using a figure of speech.

Or they like to exaggerate. I wouldn't put it past the media.

 

[transmanche]

Or they like to exaggerate. I wouldn't put it past the media.

No, it's a perfectly standard figure of speech; e.g. "when the computer network crashed, the whole office ground to a halt", or "the Northern line service ground to a halt due to signalling problems". It's not referring to one particular train "slowing down and grinding to a halt" just referring to the whole system.

 

[asylumxl]

No, it's a perfectly standard figure of speech; e.g. "when the computer network crashed, the whole office ground to a halt", or "the Northern line service ground to a halt due to signalling problems". It's not referring to one particular train "slowing down and grinding to a halt" just referring to the whole system.

And so by your logic the media is never prone to exaggeration? The disruption was hardly massive.

 

[tsr]

No, it's a perfectly standard figure of speech; e.g. "when the computer network crashed, the whole office ground to a halt", or "the Northern line service ground to a halt due to signalling problems". It's not referring to one particular train "slowing down and grinding to a halt" just referring to the whole system.

Although one train did indeed literally grind to a halt as a result:

Caused some significant disruption for the morning peak - one service was stuck outside Sutton for almost 3 hours.

And a high number of morning off-peak services were also heavily disrupted across a good deal of the Southern network, including lines as far away (in terms of railway geography) as Gatwick and Reigate, to name just two - largely due to slower-than-expected positioning of stock/crews at Horsham and congestion via Selhurst, East Croydon and Norwood Junction.

 

[Class377/5]

Sutton incident wasn't responsible for most of the overall disruption but the three failed trains all over the London area were (including the unit at Streatham South).

Services were still disrupted at 1400. Most Sutton loop TL services were running to Wimbledon, with one or two advertised as going through to Sutton. One staff member was quoted as saying up to three quarters of a mile of cable may need replacing on one news article

Actually they were spilt 50/50 between Wimbledon and Sutton where the services reversed and went the same way they can at that time (platforms 3/4 used at Sutton).

 

[transmanche]

And so by your logic the media is never prone to exaggeration?

I didn't say or even imply that. Now who's wildly exaggerating? :roll:

Although one train did indeed literally grind to a halt as a result:

But there you go asylumxl, even if they were using the term literally, it seems that (contrary to your suggestion) it was true.

 

[tsr]

Sutton incident wasn't responsible for most of the overall disruption but the three failed trains all over the London area were (including the unit at Streatham South).

Having looked at the overall cancellation lists, seen which trains caused congestion in real-time earlier & read some (off-the-record) comments from Control staff, it appears to me that the Sutton incident really sparked a lot of issues, but yes, several train failures did also contribute. I certainly wouldn't say this evening's traction issues involving the train near Streatham contributed to all that many of the delays over the wider network inclusive of the BML, if that's what you refer to above. I also understand that one of the failures pretty much only affected the Marshlink. And as for the train which had to be taken out of service at East Croydon, that luckily didn't seem to cause especially major problems.

 

[user15681]

Actually they were spilt 50/50 between Wimbledon and Sutton where the services reversed and went the same way they can at that time (platforms 3/4 used at Sutton).

Ah, thanks for the correction. I only said so because all I could see on the board at St Pancras was 2 Wimbledon and 1 Sutton. I asked someone on the platform if I'd just missed one to Sutton and was told no, but now you say that I suspect I had.

 

[asylumxl]

I didn't say or even imply that. Now who's wildly exaggerating? :roll:

But there you go asylumxl, even if they were using the term literally, it seems that (contrary to your suggestion) it was true.

One train literally ground to a halt. God have mercy on us all and save us from the pedantry of RaiLUK members .

 

[samxool]

One train literally ground to a halt. God have mercy on us all and save us from the pedantry of RaiLUK members .

But services did grind to a halt. There were no trains running on my line all morning. None. If that doesn't warrant the phrase "all services grinded to a halt" then I don't know what does.

 

[455driver]

But services did grind to a halt. There were no trains running on my line all morning. None. If that doesn't warrant the phrase "all services grinded to a halt" then I don't know what does.

So using your logic it would be fair to say that First Great Western have ground to a halt for the last 3 week would it, simply because no trains have called at Dawlish!
Perspective is what is called for and that is something fish and chip wrappers oops I mean newspapers dont do very well!

 

[transmanche]

So using your logic it would be fair to say that First Great Western have ground to a halt for the last 3 week would it, simply because no trains have called at Dawlish!

But that's not the equivalent of what the news report said is it? So not a fair comparison.

 

[317663]

Ah yes, heard about this a lot at my local station, I was just looking to see if there was still disruption an hour ago, nothing but the typical 20 minute FCC delays.