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Surplus of yellow school buses

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Those Bluebirds were rather like Voyagers in some ways; I was lucky enough to use the ones that Uno used to have regularly, and while they may not have been the most comfotable (high floors, narrow doorways, leaf spring suspension), and a steering lock like HMS Victory, they went like stink, with a 210hp Cummins engine, and sounded rather like a Voyager too.
 
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In the case of Holmeswood Coaches they've taken what were built as 53 seater coaches consisting of a back row of 5 seats and 12 rows of 4 seats in 2+2 formation with an aisle and turned them in to 70 seater coaches still with a back row of 5 and 13 rows of 5 seats in a 3+2 formation with a very narrow aisle. (The aisle is narrower than the seats hence why the back row is still 5 seats and not 6.)

Like I said earlier I'm not convinced these are suitable for high schools with sixth forms due to the older pupils being adult sized. There's no way they should be used for bus services carrying only adults. They aren't even permitted to have passengers standing.

This is fairly standard (both to coaches and to single deck service buses).

To the person who started this thread and believes there is a surplus - please tell me which operators are struggling to sell these vehicles.

70 seat single deck coaches/buses are the most saught after vehicle that the market is looking for. I may actually be converting a low floor bus into a 65/70 Seat school bus for a customer, so if I can buy a surplus one cheap then I would be very interested.
 

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To the person who started this thread and believes there is a surplus - please tell me which operators are struggling to sell these vehicles.

It was me who started the thread and I am asking the question what would happen to council owned yellow school buses used on faith school routes when the council withdraws funding for faith schools and they become surplus. There are 5 in Cheshire, 3 owned by Cheshire West council that are used on routes to a Catholic school and 2 newer ones owned by Cheshire East council used on routes to a Catholic school. I imagine there are other faith schools in other areas which will also see withdrawing of subsided yellow bus routes.
 

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It was me who started the thread and I am asking the question what would happen to council owned yellow school buses used on faith school routes when the council withdraws funding for faith schools and they become surplus. There are 5 in Cheshire, 3 owned by Cheshire West council that are used on routes to a Catholic school and 2 newer ones owned by Cheshire East council used on routes to a Catholic school. I imagine there are other faith schools in other areas which will also see withdrawing of subsided yellow bus routes.

The children still need to go to school.... Parents etc mandate certain minimum standards for their children. My guess is nothing will happen except the parents writing a cheque to the bus operator every term.
 

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The children still need to go to school.... Parents etc mandate certain minimum standards for their children. My guess is nothing will happen except the parents writing a cheque to the bus operator every term.

That's not actually the case though for two reasons:

1. The withdrawal of free transport will likely see more Catholic children attending nearer non-faith schools.

2. The church's preferred alternative for St Nicholas Catholic High School is to revert back to using train services (how it used to be before the school expanded.) The school is close to both Greenbank and Hartford stations so that allows easy train access to most places within the school's catchment area. The town of Middlewich is currently an exception though. Northern have introduced reduced rate scholars tickets which makes the train to Greenbank more attractive: http://www.mcrua.org.uk/chairmansblog/2010/02/11/big-savings-on-scholar-season-tickets/
 
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That's not actually the case though for two reasons:

1. The withdrawal of free transport will likely see more Catholic children attending nearer non-faith schools.

2. The church's preferred alternative for St Nicholas Catholic High School is to revert back to using train services (how it used to be before the school expanded.) The school is close to both Greenbank and Hartford stations so that allows easy train access to most places within the school's catchment area. The town of Middlewich is currently an exception though. Northern have introduced reduced rate scholars tickets which makes the train to Greenbank more attractive: http://www.mcrua.org.uk/chairmansblog/2010/02/11/big-savings-on-scholar-season-tickets/

Interesting. Which operators serve this area, please?
 

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Interesting. Which operators serve this area, please?

The 3 yellow Bluebird buses that serve St Nicholas Catholic High are owned by Cheshire West & Chester council. I would be very surprised if the council do not sell these off in the coming years.

Holmeswood Coaches Group also operate designated school buses to that school but they may be able to redeploy those buses elsewhere in the group.

Dobsons Buses of Lostock Gralam operate buses there and they now seem to be a designated school bus company i.e. they don't seem to operate any bus services that aren't school services. Some of their buses have been painted yellow (see rear bus here: http://www.flickr.com/photos/nicksbuscoach/5885930802/in/photostream/ ) but I don't know if they've been changed internally. They have some quite elderly double deckers also: http://www.flickr.com/photos/eastlancsleopard/4567987859/ Note that Dobsons do serve quite a lot of non-faith schools so it might just be a case of them reducing the fleet size slightly by withdrawing their worst vehicles.

I don't have a full up-to-date list of other operators that serve that school but I know that the following have operated there but may not still do: Byley Coaches, Warrington Borough Transport, Baker Bus, Mayne (Warrington depot), Coppenhalls Coaches and Selwyns (Runcorn depot.)
 

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The children still need to go to school.... Parents etc mandate certain minimum standards for their children. My guess is nothing will happen except the parents writing a cheque to the bus operator every term.

The 3 Cheshire West council yellow school buses will finish on their existing routes this week. New commercial services will run a replacement services from September. It's unclear whether Cheshire West council may move them to remaining subsided school services or sell them to commercial operators (if they haven't already been sold.)
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I've never really bought into this vogue for "American style yellow School buses". American style school buses are some of the worst kinds of buses there are, horrendously crude truck-style things with high floors, multiple steps and seating that makes a class 142 look like a Pullman. They're hardly a great advertisement for what modern Buses can be like, are they. it's only thanks to the Simpsons that local authorities thought they were the way forward. I bet they're a factor in putting American kids off using buses for life, if they think that every bus is going to be like that.

There's some background information on yellow school buses here:
http://www.activcameras.com/downloads/dft_susttravel_pdf_025636.pdf

A selection of what it says:
Recent years have seen increasing concern about the rising proportion of pupils transported to school by car and the associated traffic congestion, environmental and social/health problems. As a result, there has been growing interest in the use of American style yellow bus schemes in the UK in recent years. Initially, several local education authorities including West Sussex, Staffordshire and Cheshire introduced American style school buses to provide a cost effective alternative to existing school transport contracts. More recently, other local authorities/local education authorities/PTEs adopted an initiative from First, introducing a package of measures with an American school bus to improve the image and quality, of school transport, or to encourage a transfer from car to bus.

The service attributes of the yellow bus schemes liked by most parents and students were:
„* A pick up close to home and drop off close to school - this was the most highly ranked attribute of the schemes by parents and students in the survey responses, but for differing reasons - for students this seemed to be motivated by convenience, and for parents by personal and road safety
concerns
* The fact the yellow school buses are not available to the general-public was liked for security reasons by parents, but for secondary age students was seen as beneficial by reducing the friction between school users and other bus users
* A driver regularly allocated to the specific route, with additional training who could get to know the pupils, schools and parents was a key factor for the schools and for primary pupils' parents
* A guaranteed seat for each child was seen as a key attribute, as was the fact that standees were no longer permitted on these school routes. (However, there was mixed response to pupils being allocated a specific seat - this was preferred if seating allocations were agreed by students themselves, rather than allocated by the school)
* CCTV equipped vehicles were welcomed by operators (to reduce malicious allegations as well as vandalism), by schools and pupils to maintain discipline and reduce bullying.

Overall, the colour of the vehicles was not a highly ranked attribute of the scheme by parents or students in the surveys in Hebden Bridge, Runnymede and Wrexham. Consultation in these areas, as well as Harrogate, Norfolk, and Ilkley, revealed a more complex view, with secondary aged students
least keen on the colour - it made the vehicles 'stand out'. However, residents viewed the overall package, including the colour, as being important in attracting users. Older students conceded that the yellow vehicles were smart - and the embarrassment factor seemed to affect mainly those under 16 years in secondary schools.

Overall, students disliked the internal layout of the Blue Bird vehicles (but also the layout of the vehicles used in Norfolk), requesting more seat space and adequate luggage room - reflecting in part the quantity of equipment/books etc that students are carrying. The vehicles used in all the schemes except Ilkley have been introduced with high seating capacity to enable a service to be provided that does not necessitate any pupils standing or the use of double deck vehicles. (As a result, the safety benefits of this need have to be balanced against the discomfort factor for what is often a relatively short journey between home and school). However, students consistently requested additional legroom i.e. seat spacing on these vehicles
 
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