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Kite159

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We do a ‘big shop’ every two weeks in Tesco. Since our last visit they have had a massive move around of stock. Hardly anything was where it used to be. Four times I had to ask a member of staff where something was. I was close to giving the girl my shopping list and trolley and asking her to go around with it and meet me at the till when she was done.

These large stores will say there’s a good reason why they shift stock around, but for the life of me I don’t see what it is. If they think I’ll buy more goods they are wrong. I’d probably buy less.
I remember when the Tesco in tidworth did something similar in shifting stock around during the height of Covid with restricted numbers of shoppers & one way systems.

All of a sudden the location where product X was located had changed and you needed to follow the one way system to try and locate the new location even if it was at the opposite end of the aisle you had just come down (but in those times it was like auto pilot to try and reduce the time in the shop wearing a pointless mask)
 
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Another vote in favour of the let's increase the price of milk by a few pence per 5 00 ml or whatever and give farmers some true recognition for the amount of effort that goes into producing it
Same here. I know when I go into my large supermarket I can buy a more expensive milk than the ‘standard’ one I do buy, but I doubt any of that extra money would to the farmers and milk producers.

One only has to watch ‘Clarkson’s Farm’ on television to see what tough life a farmer has both producing what we need and making a living from it.
 

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We do a ‘big shop’ every two weeks in Tesco. Since our last visit they have had a massive move around of stock. Hardly anything was where it used to be. Four times I had to ask a member of staff where something was. I was close to giving the girl my shopping list and trolley and asking her to go around with it and meet me at the till when she was done.

These large stores will say there’s a good reason why they shift stock around, but for the life of me I don’t see what it is. If they think I’ll buy more goods they are wrong. I’d probably buy less.
It is probably to 'encourage' you to walk along more aisles so that you notice something you didn't know you needed. A large Tesco I go in to from time to time moved the water and flavoured water so it is no longer with the soft drinks, now near the end of the aisle with the alcohol (which, I gather, has big mark ups). I don't have all day to do the shopping, I have a bus to catch. Like you, if I can't find it, I won't bother.

What is worse is when they don't change the overhead signs so an aisle might show 'Tea & Coffee' but now contains crisps and other snacks. They need to take the things down if they are wrong but getting them right should be a priority.
 

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I agree that milk really is too cheap. I remember a 4pint bottle breaking the £1 barrier when I managed a supermarket in 1993.

My dad worked in the milk industry all his working life and used to say the cost of a pint of milk, a decent loaf of bread and a 1st class stamp were all around the same price. That's not the case now.
Although its the stamp which is the expensive one out of the three now, but also depends on the definition of "decent" for the loaf.

First class stamp at £1.35 is high now, but a similar price to Hovis/Kingsmill bread.

A second class stamp is 85p, which is a similar price to a pint of milk and a loaf of standard (not value range) supermarket bread.
 

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Although its the stamp which is the expensive one out of the three now, but also depends on the definition of "decent" for the loaf.

First class stamp at £1.35 is high now, but a similar price to Hovis/Kingsmill bread.

A second class stamp is 85p, which is a similar price to a pint of milk and a loaf of standard (not value range) supermarket bread.

I think that's probably true about the definition of 'decent'. I would guess that in these days of artisan bakeries etc., what we think of as a good loaf today is far superior to what people would have thought of as a good loaf in the 1970s.

As for milk: Well, it's just a single-ingredient item so can't have changed much, although I do recall back in the 1970s the cream tended to separate out of whole milk and that doesn't happen today, so maybe something has improved in the processing?

First class stamp? Definitely gone down in service since the 1970s!
 

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As for milk: Well, it's just a single-ingredient item so can't have changed much, although I do recall back in the 1970s the cream tended to separate out of whole milk and that doesn't happen today, so maybe something has improved in the processing?

Most milk is homogonised now, thats why the cream doesn't float to the surface. I think this has been the case for 20-30 years though.
 

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We do a ‘big shop’ every two weeks in Tesco. Since our last visit they have had a massive move around of stock. Hardly anything was where it used to be. Four times I had to ask a member of staff where something was. I was close to giving the girl my shopping list and trolley and asking her to go around with it and meet me at the till when she was done.

These large stores will say there’s a good reason why they shift stock around, but for the life of me I don’t see what it is. If they think I’ll buy more goods they are wrong. I’d probably buy less.
Our Tesco had a major refit last year, everything moved into new places with new signs up pointing you to where you wanted to be. Last week they started moving things, often to just the opposite side of an aisle. Cooked ham moved but various sliced chicken left on old shelves. Carrots a few feet further along. 'New' signs totally wrong again. Why, one asks.
 

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Our Tesco had a major refit last year, everything moved into new places with new signs up pointing you to where you wanted to be. Last week they started moving things, often to just the opposite side of an aisle. Cooked ham moved but various sliced chicken left on old shelves. Carrots a few feet further along. 'New' signs totally wrong again.
Similar at the Tesco in my area. Must be some directive from Head Office.

Why, one asks.
Opportunity to instead go spend some ££ at my local Sainsbury's?
 

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Most milk is homogonised now, thats why the cream doesn't float to the surface. I think this has been the case for 20-30 years though.
Ironically, homogenised milk is potentially harmful when compared to the same original milk un-homognised.The fat globules at theyr natural size can be easiloy handled by the body, whereas the almost atomised fat is absorbed directly into the blood stream. Just to save the lazy many having to shake the bottle before pouring. :rolleyes:
 

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Ironically, homogenised milk is potentially harmful when compared to the same original milk un-homognised.The fat globules at theyr natural size can be easiloy handled by the body, whereas the almost atomised fat is absorbed directly into the blood stream. Just to save the lazy many having to shake the bottle before pouring. :rolleyes:
Do you have a citation for that?
 

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I think that's probably true about the definition of 'decent'. I would guess that in these days of artisan bakeries etc., what we think of as a good loaf today is far superior to what people would have thought of as a good loaf in the 1970s.

As for milk: Well, it's just a single-ingredient item so can't have changed much, although I do recall back in the 1970s the cream tended to separate out of whole milk and that doesn't happen today, so maybe something has improved in the processing?

First class stamp? Definitely gone down in service since the 1970s!

I’m not sure of the value of comparing the three at different points in time other than out of interest. Each is in a separate industry that’s been subject to totally different changes in demand, technology, regulation etc etc etc
 

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Bit busy at the moment but here's an explanatory article detailing a whole lot of other problems that come free with the cosmetic attractions of homogenised milk.
From the first link:
Before you read the rest of this please be aware that what I’m going to tell you about homogenised milk is controversial and that the original theory (referred to in this article) has been refuted by subsequent studies. This post is simply to stimulate thought and discussion.

And another one too here.
And the second one -

Opinion Article​

Which has no sources or actual research. Some of the claims are nonsense. The author appears to have written nothing else and the article isn't peer reviewed.
 

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Which has no sources or actual research. Some of the claims are nonsense. The author appears to have written nothing else and the article isn't peer reviewed.

Totally agree. I don't have any particular knowledge of milk homogenisation, but I have a good general science background and to my mind that article fails on enough obvious issues of basic chemistry/biology that I'd be pretty sure it shouldn't be taken seriously. A quick Google and trawl through some links that look to me like they are better informed convinces me that, based on the current state of scientific knowledge, there is no need to be worried about homogenized milk. I think this sums it up (https://dairynutrition.ca/en/milk-q...why-milk-homogenized-and-what-are-its-effects):

DairyNutrition said:
There are unfounded beliefs about milk homogenization which speculate that changes to milk particles would have adverse health effects. However, no good quality scientific evidence supports these beliefs.

<snip>

The research available therefore does not support the concerns about the impact of this process on the digestion of milk.
 

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Homogenisation does of course prevent you from just drinking the delicious cream and then leaving your parents stuck with tasteless skimmed in their tea for the rest of the day, so there are at least non-dietary downsides
 

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Most milk is homogonised now, thats why the cream doesn't float to the surface. I think this has been the case for 20-30 years though.
Well, back 50 years ago, we visited a dairy at school to see how they treated milk and bottle it. There were three types of milk: Pasteurised, homogenised and sterilised. The niche product being homogenised. Not heard of it again until today on these forums.
Oddly enough, amending an Asda shopping order now, they don't do sterilised milk. Thought it would be still popular due to its unique taste. I used to buy semi-skimmed 'Steri'.
I think if there are any more replies, should be split to a Milk thread!
 

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Homogenisation does of course prevent you from just drinking the delicious cream and then leaving your parents stuck with tasteless skimmed in their tea for the rest of the day, so there are at least non-dietary downsides
It did at least remove any arguments regarding who had the top of the milk on their cornflakes. It wasn't unusual for two bottles of milk to be open at the same time if my dad didn't get there first...

It wasn't unusual for the local avian population to get there before any of us humans did!
 

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From the BBC:
Morrisons has received a backlash from angry farmers as it trials the sale of New Zealand lamb instead of 100% British lamb in 39 of its stores.

The supermarket says the move is due to customer demand for cheaper prices.

"The blunt commercial reality is that New Zealand lamb is cheaper to source"….


The cynic in me says Morrisons are looking at ways to make more profit. Yes they may sell it a bit cheaper, but they’re probably buying it in for much cheaper.
 

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And it obviously goes against their commitment for “100% British sourced meat” as displayed across their butchery departments.
 

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The cynic in me says Morrisons are looking at ways to make more profit. Yes they may sell it a bit cheaper, but they’re probably buying it in for much cheaper.

Morrisons appears to be currently making a large loss, so it's more likely to be, an attempt to reduce their losses: Guardian report

Guardian said:
Morrisons has revealed it cut more than 8,800 jobs last year – almost 8% of its total workforce – while making a loss of more than £1bn after a debt-fuelled private equity takeover in 2021.

The UK’s fifth largest supermarket chain reported total finance costs of £735m, up from £590m the year before, according to its latest annual accounts for the year to 29 October.

It was the second consecutive year in which Morrisons lost more than £1bn, after reporting a loss before tax of £1.5bn in 2022.

But even if the move was motivated by wanting to make bigger profits - there's nothing wrong with that as long as they're not doing anything unethical. Making a profit by supplying things that customers want is after all the ONLY way that businesses can function!
 

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Is lamb massively more expensive than it used to be, or am I just getting progressively more mean over time? I've never bought much of the stuff, but I tend to not even glance at it anymore in case the prices give me a seizure. To be fair I can remember back to the days when New Zealand lamb and Danish bacon were fancy advertised products rather than a kind of guilty admission that you weren't buying British
 

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Is lamb massively more expensive than it used to be, or am I just getting progressively more mean over time? I've never bought much of the stuff, but I tend to not even glance at it anymore in case the prices give me a seizure. To be fair I can remember back to the days when New Zealand lamb and Danish bacon were fancy advertised products rather than a kind of guilty admission that you weren't buying British
The price of British lamb has seen a sharp increase amid rising demand, paired with challenging weather conditions and import issues.

According the Agriculture and Horticulture Development Board, wholesale prices have risen by more than 40% year-on-year to over £8.50 per kg, while lamb production in the UK is expected to decline by 1.4%.

In recent months, British farming has seen exceptional rainfall and storms which have impacted the livestock, arable and horticultural sectors.

It also comes at the same time demand in the UK has risen, up 8% in the past three months, following celebrations such as Easter and Eid, The Guardian reported.





The rising price in the UK comes at the same time lamb in New Zealand, the main rival to British lamb, has fallen by around a fifth year on year to less than £3 per kg.

As a result, Morrisons has dropped its pledge to only source British lamb as part of a new trial this week to begin selling New Zealand lamb in 39 stores.

A Morrisons spokesperson told Grocery Gazette that the trial follows an “extensive exercise listening to customers who were very clear that they want us to sell lamb at a more accessible price all year round.”

“The blunt commercial reality is that New Zealand lamb is cheaper to source, and therefore cheaper to sell, than British lamb,” they added.

Industry experts told The Guardian that other retailers are likely to be under pressure to switch to cheaper lamb alternatives, however Waitrose, The Co-op and M&S all said they had no intentions to backtrack on their 100% British lamb pledges.
 

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Hmm. So we are another view of it could be that we are being held hostage by supermarket buying policies, and only Morrissons is willing to do the right thing by their customers?
Most of the other supermarkets already sell foreign meat where it is cheaper and don't have any 100% british promises
 

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I noticed when in Poundland in Edinburgh yesterday they have joined the other supermarkets by having "two tier" pricing on a small number of items where you get it for less by using a membership style app.

All the data collection
 

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Couldn't tell you the last time I spent any money in poundland. The fact that hardly anything is a pound now and that they often work out more expensive for what I want to buy. Has a great deal to do with this
 

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I noticed when in Poundland in Edinburgh yesterday they have joined the other supermarkets by having "two tier" pricing on a small number of items where you get it for less by using a membership style app.

All the data collection
Ugh. They're really a bit too dodgy to regularly buy much from anyway - too much of the stuff is available for less in normal shops, or turns out to be factory seconds for reasons that are uncomfortably obvious when you get it home.

Their meal deals are okay if you're in places like Clapham Junction, but I'm not willing to pass some loyalty test to get one. I already had to give up on Boots when they tried it on their meal deals, although they seem to have quickly given up on it.
 

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How are the market shares of your supermarkets going?

I assume Tesco is #1, Sainsburys #2 perhaps, then Morrisons? Aldi? Asda Waitrose? Poundland? What percentage of sales does each have?
 
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