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Baxenden Bank

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Wine is always in season ;)


In the U.K., we have the most efficient food distribution system in the world, hence the comparative cheapness and the wide variety of products on offer.
As are tinned potatoes (and tomatoes etc) ;)

As for turnips, recently during 'saladgate' we had a government minister advising us to eat more of them. Buy her new book "101 things you can do with a turnip", available in all remaindered bookshops.
 
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Not really a downside TBH (IMHO). Fresh seasonal produce is the basis for the Mediterranean diet....one of the healthiest in the world! :smile:
The Italians, especially the male population, do seem to supplement their healthy Mediterranean diet with copious amounts of not so healthy cigarettes.
 

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It would appear that Lidl have started a new policy of stocking products based on the punchlines of "Dad jokes":
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(Image of a packet of cheese branded as "Nazareth")
 

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Was informed tonight that our local Poundland has applied for an alcohol license. Do any others have one? (And I bet they don’t sell it for a pound!)?
 

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Asda today

4 x Guiness 440ml £4.75 (standard price)

8 x Guinesss 440ml £11.50

12 x Guiness 440ml £16.50

No prizes for guessing which quantity were sold out and which had a shelf full left!

So much for saving money by buying in bulk…
 

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Was informed tonight that our local Poundland has applied for an alcohol license. Do any others have one? (And I bet they don’t sell it for a pound!)?
Never seen a Poundland with booze. I have noticed in England WH Smith in Stations have booze.
 

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I see the government is proposing a cap on the price of basic foodstuffs. The BBC Radio news just now said that it would be a voluntary cap!
Not sure how that works, it's either a cap or it isn't. Imagine if the energy price cap was voluntary.

BBC News website story

Plans for supermarket price cap on basic food

The government is discussing plans for supermarkets to introduce a cap on the price of basic food items to help tackle the rising cost of living.


A voluntary agreement with major retailers could see price reductions on basic food items like bread and milk.

Food prices rose by 19.1% in the year to April - its second highest rate in 45 years.

Downing Street sources have stressed that there are no plans for a mandatory price cap.

The idea of a cap or freeze on basic food items, as first reported by the Daily Telegraph, is said to be at the "drawing board stage".

Supermarkets are expected to be allowed to select which items they would cap and only take part in the initiative, modelled on a similar agreement in France, on a voluntary basis.

Health Secretary Steve Barclay told BBC One's Sunday with Laura Kuenssberg programme that "this is about having constructive discussions with supermarkets about how we work together, not about any element of compulsion".

He added that the government was also keen to protect "suppliers who themselves face considerable pressures".

For Labour, shadow work and pensions secretary Jonathan Ashworth told the same programme that the reports were "extraordinary", saying "Rishi Sunak is now like a latter day Edward Heath with price controls".

However there is some doubt over what impact a price cap of food will have.

The British Retail Consortium says that the government should focus more on cutting red tape rather than "recreating 1970s-style price controls".

"This will not make a jot of difference to prices. High food prices are a direct result of the soaring cost of energy, transport, and labour, as well as higher prices paid to food manufacturers and farmers," says Andrew Opie, director of food and sustainability at the BRC."As commodity prices drop, many of the costs keeping inflation high are now arising from the muddle of new regulation coming from government. Rather than recreating 1970s-style price controls, the government should focus on cutting red tape so that resources can be directed to keeping prices as low as possible."

Earlier this week the boss of the Sainsbury's denied that his supermarket had been profiteering.

Simon Roberts said his business was "absolutely not" putting prices up to bolster profits - known as "greedflation".

He told the BBC that Sainsbury's and other grocery chains had spent money to "battle inflation" and avoid passing all of the rising costs onto consumers.

The competition watchdog, the Competition and Markets Authority, has said it will look at how the grocery market is operating.

At a meeting with food manufacturers last week the chancellor Jeremy Hunt stressed widespread concern about prices and agreed to engage with the industry on possible measures to ease pressure on household budgets.

Mr Hunt has said he would back an increase in interest rates if it curbed higher prices and soaring inflation - even if that risked plunging the UK into recession.

"Businesses don't have a price cap like consumers do and yet some smaller businesses buy energy like consumers do so it's been really hard for them to keep going," Shevaun Haviland, director general of the British Chamber of Commerce, told the same programme.

The rate of inflation can be calculated in various ways, but the main measure is the Consumer Prices Index (CPI) - which tracks the prices of everyday items in an imaginary "basket of goods".

The last figure for CPI was 8.7% in the year to April, down from 10.1% in March and 11.1% in October.

Soaring prices of some food products has meant inflation has not come down by as much as many predicted.

Experts have warned that expensive food is set to overtake energy bills as the "epicentre" of the cost-of-living crisis.
 

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Unfortunately, I'm forced to state that we've started saving a lot more. We go to all the major chain stores and only buy discounted items after comparing prices. This has also affected our entertainment, leisure, and vacation activities - now we just don't do them. Even my favorite roses have been given up. And you say everything's fine with the prices. Maybe foods haven't been affected as much, but that's only part of our expenses
 

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Asda today

4 x Guiness 440ml £4.75 (standard price)

8 x Guinesss 440ml £11.50

12 x Guiness 440ml £16.50

No prizes for guessing which quantity were sold out and which had a shelf full left!

So much for saving money by buying in bulk…
Perhaps you get a better quality in the three sss pack :D
 

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Asda today

4 x Guiness 440ml £4.75 (standard price)

8 x Guinesss 440ml £11.50

12 x Guiness 440ml £16.50

No prizes for guessing which quantity were sold out and which had a shelf full left!

So much for saving money by buying in bulk…
As @AM9 would have it (in the shrinkflation thread), it is up to the customer to read the labels, the information has been presented to them!
 

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I see the government is proposing a cap on the price of basic foodstuffs. The BBC Radio news just now said that it would be a voluntary cap!
Not sure how that works, it's either a cap or it isn't. Imagine if the energy price cap was voluntary.

BBC News website story
It clearly won't work. Small shops won't be able to cover the loss of margin on other products and large supermarkets already sometimes use essentials, (e.g. bread, milk etc.) as loss leaders. The voluntary is typical of this right wing government's commitment to actually help those less well off, partiularly when they expect their supporters to pay for it.
 

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It clearly won't work. Small shops won't be able to cover the loss of margin on other products and large supermarkets already sometimes use essentials, (e.g. bread, milk etc.) as loss leaders. The voluntary is typical of this right wing government's commitment to actually help those less well off, partiularly when they expect their supporters to pay for it.
I suggest it will be one of those 'peer pressure' policies where, if / once one supermarket signs up to the scheme, others will feel pressured into doing so as the reputational damage of being seen to be 'not on the side of cheap prices to help the consumer' will potentially be great - politically, in the real media, on social media and perhaps in shoppers choices thus turnover. In practice the price will either be set high enough to make little difference or the cost of other items will be adjusted to compensate. All that membership card data of typical baskets will let the supermarkets know just where to juggle the prices so as not to lose out overall.

As an outsider I don't really understand 'price matching' to the exact penny. If I did a 'big family shop' (I don't) of 100 items does it really matter if each item was 1p more in Tesco than Lidl, thus making my trolley a whole £1 extra? I know there are people to whom that £1 REALLY does matter, but to most it doesn't. An extra 10p per item (£10 per trolley) might start to be noticeable.
 

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I suggest it will be one of those 'peer pressure' policies where, if / once one supermarket signs up to the scheme, others will feel pressured into doing so as the reputational damage of being seen to be 'not on the side of cheap prices to help the consumer' will potentially be great - politically, in the real media, on social media and perhaps in shoppers choices thus turnover. In practice the price will either be set high enough to make little difference or the cost of other items will be adjusted to compensate. All that membership card data of typical baskets will let the supermarkets know just where to juggle the prices so as not to lose out overall.

As an outsider I don't really understand 'price matching' to the exact penny. If I did a 'big family shop' (I don't) of 100 items does it really matter if each item was 1p more in Tesco than Lidl, thus making my trolley a whole £1 extra? I know there are people to whom that £1 REALLY does matter, but to most it doesn't. An extra 10p per item (£10 per trolley) might start to be noticeable.
The issue of price matching on 'essentials' is also blurred by the fact that the poorest in society are more likely to shop for low quality processed food which is most affected by the race to the bottom, further depessing its already low nutritional value.
 

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Was informed tonight that our local Poundland has applied for an alcohol license. Do any others have one? (And I bet they don’t sell it for a pound!)?
They trialled it a few years ago in some locations. Stockport was one of them and when I popped in there, pricing was roughly equivalent to other supermarkets at the time and the range was mostly pedestrian stuff like Carling and I Heart wines.

I imagine, once established, Poundland will do what they do with many of their products and take on overstock sitting in warehouses either close to expiry or discontinued ranges from other supermarkets - like Stella unfiltered, which was an utterly dismal seller nationally.
 

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Does anyone else forget to take a basket when shopping and use their own carrier bag to put items in? I do that and always think I will get stopped.
I use my own bags when out with my mother in her wheelchair, easy to hang them on the handles, never been questioned over this.

Asda today

4 x Guiness 440ml £4.75 (standard price)

8 x Guinesss 440ml £11.50

12 x Guiness 440ml £16.50

No prizes for guessing which quantity were sold out and which had a shelf full left!

So much for saving money by buying in bulk…
asda seem to be good at this, got to increase the use of packaging somehow, shows how much they actually care despite some of the claims.
 

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Asda today

4 x Guiness 440ml £4.75 (standard price)

8 x Guinesss 440ml £11.50

12 x Guiness 440ml £16.50

No prizes for guessing which quantity were sold out and which had a shelf full left!

So much for saving money by buying in bulk…
Is this some similarly-named copycat own-brand trying to pretend that it's Guinness?
 

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Asda today

4 x Guiness 440ml £4.75 (standard price)

8 x Guinesss 440ml £11.50

12 x Guiness 440ml £16.50

No prizes for guessing which quantity were sold out and which had a shelf full left!

So much for saving money by buying in bulk…
Like on the railway there are sometimes pricing anomalies and it will be better value to split ;)
 

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I seem to remember that Magnum choc ices used to be 4 in a pack, just looked in ASDA and now there's only 3.
 

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I seem to remember that Magnum choc ices used to be 4 in a pack, just looked in ASDA and now there's only 3.
... and what does the pack that you pick up say about the quantity inside.?
See below, bought just an hour ago, two packs for £4.50 in full knowledge of the quantity. There's no 'stealth price rise' when it is clearly displayed on the packet.
 
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I seem to remember that Magnum choc ices used to be 4 in a pack, just looked in ASDA and now there's only 3.
Currently £1.62 in Asda for the 3 pack which is 54p each, but possibly as cheap as you'll get them, just now.

Always been three pack to my knowledge.
Been both 4 and 3 pack sizes, depending on where you buy them.

P.S. Magnums are already been discussed on the separate 'Shrinkflation' thread... (Post #243 onwards).

 

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I use my own bags when out with my mother in her wheelchair, easy to hang them on the handles, never been questioned over this.
I'm unable to carry a shopping basket, and my usual supermarket is bad about bringing empty trolleys back to near the entrance, so in that event I walk with stick in one hand and bag in the other. I have to put the bag on the floor on occasion, but have never been challenged, If I was to be, I'd take the opportunity to castigate the store for its poor policies in aiding the disabled (it never enforces the blue badge only parking spaces, for instance.)
 

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Looks like Sainsbury’s are in the process of rationalising their “fake brands” that all used to be part of the Sainsbury’s Basics Range. Lots of products which came under the Daily’s (used for bread products), J James (used for chilled or frozen meat/fish as well as eggs) and Mary Ann’s Dairy (used for cheese and yoghurt products) all seem to be being rebranded as Stamford Street Co, with an orange Circle with “Sainsbury’s” written in it.

It all seems to be still a work in progress, from my shop today some of the text on the Smartshop devices and Nectar App has been updated but the images haven’t but some reflect the new branding. Some of the packaging says the old brand name still but lots has been updated, particularly the fresh food.

I haven’t seen any of the ambient products be re-branded away from Hubbards Foodstore and cleaning stuff still seems to be House 24/7z Not sure if what brands it’s going to replace fully, as Daily’s bread still evident and I bought some J James burgers.

Attached images show Smartshop scanner with various items showing old branding but new name. Third image shows rebranded bacon and mozzarella.
 

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I'm unable to carry a shopping basket, and my usual supermarket is bad about bringing empty trolleys back to near the entrance, so in that event I walk with stick in one hand and bag in the other. I have to put the bag on the floor on occasion, but have never been challenged, If I was to be, I'd take the opportunity to castigate the store for its poor policies in aiding the disabled (it never enforces the blue badge only parking spaces, for instance.)
Using your own bags is common, particular with handheld scanners and apps being more common.
 

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Morrisons have wound me up a bit today. On entry to the store (or at least here) they have food parcel bags in a cage for the local food bank based on what the food bank needs in stock, you simply pick them up and pay for them with your other shopping and the bag then gets donated. Today I noticed a couple, one was handwritten as "Two Super Noodles" and the other "One Robinsons Squash". But Super Noodles are currently priced at £1.15 each and if you get three they are on offer for £3. The squash is £2 for one bottle but it has an offer of £2 for £2.50. The cynic in me now thinks they get a list of food bank requirements then go and deliberately pick items currently in a deal but put less items in the bag so the items go through separately thus making more money for them. Of course you can just ignore this and put the deals in your trolley then donate them to the food bank via another cage in the store but if this type of stuff is nationwide then it surely mounts up.

Or maybe i'm just old and grumpy, deserve being berated for being in Morrisons in the first place and i'm overthinking this one too much?
 

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Morrisons have wound me up a bit today. On entry to the store (or at least here) they have food parcel bags in a cage for the local food bank based on what the food bank needs in stock, you simply pick them up and pay for them with your other shopping and the bag then gets donated. Today I noticed a couple, one was handwritten as "Two Super Noodles" and the other "One Robinsons Squash". But Super Noodles are currently priced at £1.15 each and if you get three they are on offer for £3. The squash is £2 for one bottle but it has an offer of £2 for £2.50. The cynic in me now thinks they get a list of food bank requirements then go and deliberately pick items currently in a deal but put less items in the bag so the items go through separately thus making more money for them. Of course you can just ignore this and put the deals in your trolley then donate them to the food bank via another cage in the store but if this type of stuff is nationwide then it surely mounts up.

Or maybe i'm just old and grumpy, deserve being berated for being in Morrisons in the first place and i'm overthinking this one too much?

My local Morrisons seems to have two different food bank collections: one seems to be ‘their’ food bank while the other is the Isle of Wight food bank, which is tied in to the Trussell Trust. I must admit that I haven’t checked carefully for while, but when I did I got the impression that the Morrisons‘ one was open to what I would regard as misuse and misrepresentation by the company, although I am sure that nothing they do is against the law. I must have another look next time I am in (not for a few days as the Isle of Wight Festival is on and I avoid Newport), but I think I will stick to putting whatever the Isle of Wight Food Bank has put on their list this month in the basket.

Other people’s desperation is just another way to increase corporate profits. Vive la révolution!
 

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My work has a food bank which donates directly to the charity, i trust it more than the supermarket ones.
 

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I must admit that I haven’t checked carefully for while, but when I did I got the impression that the Morrisons‘ one was open to what I would regard as misuse and misrepresentation by the company
What do you mean by this?
 

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From the Telegraph

John Lewis to raise £150m selling off Waitrose stores in turnaround push​

Sale comes as troubled department store seeks fresh funding after recent run of losses

In short, Waitrose are to sell off some sites in a “sale and leaseback” in a plan to raise funds but allow them to keep running from the locations.

It always seems to me a bit desperate when companies do this, so wonder what the future holds.

Waitrose did a huge promotion earlier in the year about how they were reducing prices on many items, and actually came in very competitive against many of their rivals for similar products. However it seems since the summer ended their prices have crept up again, despite this not being replicated in rival supermarkets.
 

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From the Telegraph


In short, Waitrose are to sell off 20 sites in a “sale and leaseback” in a plan to raise funds but allow them to keep running from the locations.

It always seems to me a bit desperate when companies do this, so wonder what the future holds.

Waitrose did a huge promotion earlier in the year about how they were reducing prices on many items, and actually came in very competitive against many of their rivals for similar products. However it seems since the summer ended their prices have crept up again, despite this not being replicated in rival supermarkets.

It’s been refuted internally (for now).
 

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