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Simple question... Do supermarket distribution centres which have a railhead realise a cost saving? Put another way ... Is it beneficial for supermarket distribution centres to have a railhead at their disposal ?
 
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Yes. Just look at tesco and sainsburys at dirft. Probably others too...
 

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Did I read that M&S is having somewhere built near Castle Donington?
 

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At the moment rail seems to work for supermarket distribution only when there is a long haul involved such as Daventry to central Scotland (is Daventry to Cardiff still running?). However pressure such as rising fuel prices, road driver working hours restrictions and congestion are expected to improve rail's competitive position in this market, so that the minimum economical distance may creep downwards in future.

This is one reason I'm not too upset when distribution terminals are built with rail connections (as a planning condition) that aren't used - at least they are there when if are needed. As discussed on another topic recently, Castle Donington is one of these.
 

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This is one reason I'm not too upset when distribution terminals are built with rail connections (as a planning condition) that aren't used - at least they are there when if are needed. As discussed on another topic recently, Castle Donington is one of these.

Quite right. If new developments were built with no thought of future rail connection that could be seen now as a very poor business decision in light of the road haulage trends you describe, and conspiracists would be claiming things were being deliberately made difficult for rail.

Whatever the facilities provided in a freight customer siding complex, the most costly and difficult part to organise is usually the signalled junction connection onto the main line network. If that can be provided or safeguarded as part of a development this makes the eventual adoption of rail haulage achievable within reasonable haulage contract timescales instead of having to wait for the next resignalling in five or ten years. The recent transfer of a host of sites formerly owned by individual freight companies to Network Rail could open up rail freight activities in those areas which in most cases have existing signalled mainline connections, and although some have not been maintained and track may even in some cases have been partially removed, at least the junctions are catered for in the signalling controls and can be restored to use fairly quickly without a complete new design being required.

It could make sense to try and encourage the clustering of distribution terminals around such existing yard complexes sharing their main line connections. The open access that NR ownership implies means the operators of such terminals, usually supermarkets or their logistics contractors, could seek the best offer from the rail freight industry for rolling stock and haulage rather than being beholden to the ways, means and commercial attitude of the particular company that happened to inherit the yard facility during the botched privatisation disposal process.

Some terminals built shortly after opening of the Channel tunnel were built primarily with a naive expectation of each of them accepting full length intermodal trains direct from the continent for forward distribution by road. In most cases that kind of traffic has failed to materialise, I think mainly because of the logistical impossibility of arranging full length trains at an attractive frequency for each single terminal. DIRFT is a notable exception and interestingly has also become the hub for the supermarket domestic distribution chains too.
 
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Yes. Just look at tesco and sainsburys at dirft. Probably others too...

They don't use rail to the full potential though, look at Kings Lynn store right next to the railway, new store built last year on the former Campbells site, track bed still in place from before although would need updating, they could have made slightly bigger at the back for warehousing to use for the extra store at the front and as a mini hub for nearby stores in Lynn, Downham, Hunstanton, Swaffham, March and Wisbech
 
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Did I read that M&S is having somewhere built near Castle Donington?

I suspect that this may be related to this story from May in which M&S ditched it's plans to build a distribution point at the newly opened London Gateway terminal

http://www.theguardian.com/business...y-loses-marks-spencer-distribution-investment.

I saw a follow on press release which mentioned that M&S would reconfigure some existing distribution depots including one in Bradford plus another but I cannot remember where.

These supermarket distribution points would be ideal candidates for receiving import containers moved directly from the ports by rail, but unfortunately many are unable or reluctant to accept them. This is usually due to the problem that very often the small consumer products are not palletised in order to maximise utilisation of the container. The result is these containers move to third parties for unloading and delivery 24/7 to the supermarket distribution point by road. This is also why the various port authorities are now investing in portcentrics operations in which the container moves from the import terminal to a nearby warehouse and is unloaded palletised and delivered to supermarket. This type of operation also lends itself to an overseas manufacturing setting up a distribution point to service multiple customers perhaps with less that full loads, as well direct retail sales from an online store website which is also becoming increasing popular.
 

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The Tesco distribution centre at Bathgate is only four or five hundred yards from the newly electrified railway. A connection was put in for a car distributor but never used but no connection for Tesco. Instead, 40+ containers daily are roaded in and out from Mossend.
 
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The Tesco distribution centre at Bathgate is only four or five hundred yards from the newly electrified railway. A connection was put in for a car distributor but never used but no connection for Tesco. Instead, 40+ containers daily are roaded in and out from Mossend.

Several points here, you have to understand where these 40+ containers are coming from and going to, I suspect that they aren't the same places which would make any spending on a link up unjustifiable
 

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DIRFT certainly seems to be a success rail wise. Presently the sidings are being extended northwards and a new bridge is under construction taking the line over the A428. DIRFT 3 already has road connections laid out and track is in place that can be extended when this project begins.
To answer an earlier question the Daventry - Wentloog train still runs, indeed it ran this morning.
 

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I would point out that there is a large Morrison's distribution centre a few hundred yards away from Outwood Station (between Wakefield and Leeds).
 

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Several points here, you have to understand where these 40+ containers are coming from and going to, I suspect that they aren't the same places which would make any spending on a link up unjustifiable

The economics of long distance trunking by rail to a central point - with facilities for storeage , fuel , admin , security etc. - balanced with efficient local distribution (say 3 local trips with a road unit) , are the way things get planned.

Back in the day , they were called Freightliner terminals :D
 

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Is there a minimum number of trains using a railhead before an inspection of the permanent way is required before use?
 

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Several points here, you have to understand where these 40+ containers are coming from and going to, I suspect that they aren't the same places which would make any spending on a link up unjustifiable

They are all conveyed on one train from Daventry to Mossend destined for Bathgate. Stobarts have the contract for the road transfer part. If there are surplus boxes unable to go on the trains, Stobarts road them all the way from Daventry to Bathgate in a similar time due to the time it takes to transfer 40+ boxes from Mossend to Bathgate. A PO siding in Bathgate would reduce the overall time by a couple of hours door to door.
 
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