Summer 2016 timetables

[brompton rail]

Cross Country' Summer timetables are now on their website
https://www.crosscountrytrains.co.uk/travel-updates-information/train-timetables

 

[xtradj]

Is there any major changes or new services planned for summer 2016 in the uk?

 

[traveller1]

Cross Country' Summer timetables are now on their website
https://www.crosscountrytrains.co.uk/travel-updates-information/train-timetables

Well done CrossCountry! They always seem to be first off the mark.

 

[Class 170101]

Is there any major changes or new services planned for summer 2016 in the uk?

Glasgow Queen Street closure until August.

Some other big blocks coming up including Severn Tunnel.

 

[PHILIPE]

Glasgow Queen Street closure until August.

Some other big blocks coming up including Severn Tunnel.

These aren't items for the Summer Timetable but special workings outside of the Timetable itself.

 

[Class 170101]

These aren't items for the Summer Timetable but special workings outside of the Timetable itself.

Technically Queen Street is in the timetable. Its almost certainly a date set until August.

 

[PHILIPE]

Technically Queen Street is in the timetable. Its almost certainly a date set until August.

But the Summer, as with the December one, Timetable shows the regular service. Irrespective of when Engineering Work takes place they are special workings out side of it.

 

[Scotrail88]

Would be better if national rail page updated in advance of the changes.

If any insider knowledge of changes it would be beneficial and will try and collate myself.

 

[Martin_1981]

Well done CrossCountry! They always seem to be first off the mark.

No change from the existing timetable by the looks of it. Once again, there are the usual summer Saturday holiday extras to Paignton, Penzance and Newquay from the Midlands and the North. No doubt the HST diagrams of these will be the same as the last few years.

 

[Mark62]

No change from the existing timetable by the looks of it. Once again, there are the usual summer Saturday holiday extras to Paignton, Penzance and Newquay from the Midlands and the North. No doubt the HST diagrams of these will be the same as the last few years.

Today there are virtually extra summer Saturday trains to Torbay, Newquay etc. I believe five coach voyagers ran to Newquay last years. Many years ago there were trains leaving Paignton every 10 minutes on Saturday mornings plus there were overnight trains from all over the nOrth to the West Country. I believe that Last year Sheffield had two trains to Paignton and one to Newquay. We're these not trains that were diverted away from Plymouth. I don't think XC actually put any extra trains on they just diverted or extended some trains.
Not exactly service improvements is it?

 

[Mag_seven]

Today there are virtually extra summer Saturday trains to Torbay, Newquay etc. I believe five coach voyagers ran to Newquay last years. Many years ago there were trains leaving Paignton every 10 minutes on Saturday mornings plus there were overnight trains from all over the nOrth to the West Country. I believe that Last year Sheffield had two trains to Paignton and one to Newquay. We're these not trains that were diverted away from Plymouth. I don't think XC actually put any extra trains on they just diverted or extended some trains.
Not exactly service improvements is it?

Back in BR days you didn't have a service every half hour between Bristol and Birmingham like you have today. The summer Saturday TT nowadays is basically the normal weekday service with some Bristol terminators/starters terminating/starting further west. The service pattern on Summer Saturdays between Bristol and Birmingham is the same as during the week i.e. stops at Bristol Parkway and Cheltenham. I can remember summer Saturday services running non-stop Bristol TM - Birmingham in the 80's/90's

 

[MikeWh]

But the Summer, as with the December one, Timetable shows the regular service. Irrespective of when Engineering Work takes place they are special workings out side of it.

Surely it depends on the scale of the engineering work? I wouldn't expect any timetable to show the 'normal' service on Southeastern while we are in a period of 20 months where Charing Cross trains can't call at London Bridge! My recollection of printed timetables in the past is that major engineering work was shown in the timetable, either as a separate dated sub-section of the table or with wavy lines down some columns.

 

[TEW]

I can remember summer Saturday services running non-stop Bristol TM - Birmingham in the 80's/90's

Those sort of patterns carried on until Cross Country recast their timetable in December 2008 shortly after they took over the franchise. Under Virgin a lot of the Summer Saturday services to Newquay/Paignton were limited stop. The afternoon service to Newquay used to call Birmingham New Street, Bristol Temple Meads, Plymouth and Newquay only for example.

 

[HarleyDavidson]

Those sort of patterns carried on until Cross Country recast their timetable in December 2008 shortly after they took over the franchise. Under Virgin a lot of the Summer Saturday services to Newquay/Paignton were limited stop. The afternoon service to Newquay used to call Birmingham New Street, Bristol Temple Meads, Plymouth and Newquay only for example.

Ahhh. Those were the days, when we had proper trains. Sadly something that's long since gone.

 

[duffield]

Ahhh. Those were the days, when we had proper trains. Sadly something that's long since gone.

The cross-country HSTs are still 'proper trains' by my reckoning! Loco (alright, 'power car') at each end, slam-door MK3 coaches.

 

[HarleyDavidson]

Nah, Nothing like turning up at New St on the off chance and finding an unusual loco on the front of a rake of LHCS and belting off down Lickey at a rate of knots.

BR certainly knew how to do things "On the hoof" and whilst an HST is a proper train, there's still nothing like a good old fashioned rake of coaches and a loco 47/50/31/33s!

Oh how I wish I could turn back time to do it all again!

 

[Blindtraveler]

I never got the HST to the Zance, maybe this time round. Apart from XC anything else of interest? I hope Pembrook Dock on an HST is doable again.

 

[D1009]

I never got the HST to the Zance, maybe this time round. Apart from XC anything else of interest? I hope Pembroke Dock on an HST is doable again.

According to RTT, both are as last year, though it looks as though engineering work will scupper the Penzance working on the late Spring bank holiday Saturday. They are going via Kemble and Swindon that day.

 

[Martin_1981]

Back in BR days you didn't have a service every half hour between Bristol and Birmingham like you have today. The summer Saturday TT nowadays is basically the normal weekday service with some Bristol terminators/starters terminating/starting further west. The service pattern on Summer Saturdays between Bristol and Birmingham is the same as during the week i.e. stops at Bristol Parkway and Cheltenham. I can remember summer Saturday services running non-stop Bristol TM - Birmingham in the 80's/90's

Good point there. The summer Saturday timetable is generally an extension of the normal weekday timetable, albeit with some trains diverted from Plymouth to start/terminate at Paignton (the HST's to and from Leeds and Glasgow). Nowhere near as exciting as the summer Saturday timetable of the 1990's and no overnight trains either. Who remembers trains from Rose Grove (Burnley), Bradford and Nottingham to Paignton, and trains between the North and Weymouth, Eastbourne and Ramsgate (the latter being famous for Deltic haulage in Virgin XC days). Traction was often anything which could be found at the time, with the double headed Class 31's on some of the Paignton trains particularly standing out. Unfortunately, the XC HST's are the best we can hope for these days. Not even any HST hire ins from EMT or EC like there were back in 2008.

 

[xtradj]

East Midlands trains timetable for May 2016 is now up also
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Tp express times up now as well. However only until 23rd October. Is there a reason for this?

 

[Bigfoot]

East Midlands trains timetable for May 2016 is now up also
--- old post above --- --- new post below ---
Tp express times up now as well. However only until 23rd October. Is there a reason for this?

Start of leaf fall...

 

[DaveHarries]

SouthWest Trains have, it seems, decided to build on their revisions around Wiltshire from last November. This means:

Additional Weekday Service:
0514 Yeovil Pen Mill - London Waterloo

and, on summer Saturdays some new trips, albeit seasonal, which should allow a day out at the seaside for those who don't fancy the drive to Weymouth:

- 1L15 (0750 WAT - SAL) extended to Weymouth, calling at Tisbury, Gillingham (Dorset), Templecombe, Sherborne, Yeovil Junction, Yeovil Pen Mill, Maiden Newton, Dorchester West and Upwey. Due to arrive WEY at 1126.

- 2V34 (1210 WEY - YVJ) calling all stations. Due to arrive YVJ at 1303.

- 2V38 (1307 YVJ - YVP), arriving YVP at 1312.

- 2O39 (1328 YVP - YVJ), arriving YVJ at 1333.

- 2V42 (1345 YVJ - YVP), arriving YVP at 1350.

- 2O43 (1355 YVP - YVJ), arriving YVJ at 1400.

- 2V46 (1405 YVJ - WEY), calling all stations. Arriving WEY at 1508.

- 1L66 (1847 SAL - WAT) extended to start back from WEY at 1656, calling Dorchester West, Maiden Newton, Yeovil Pen Mill, Yeovil Junction, Sherborne, Templecombe, Gillingham (Dorset), Tisbury and Salisbury, then as per normal schedule.

I know SWT said that these were only proposals and they haven't said on their website that the seasonal trains will run for certain. However the diagrams are all on RealTimeTrains now.

HTIOI,
Dave

 

[PHILIPE]

SouthWest Trains have, it seems, decided to build on their revisions around Wiltshire from last November. This means:

Additional Weekday Service:
0514 Yeovil Pen Mill - London Waterloo

and, on summer Saturdays some new trips, albeit seasonal, which should allow a day out at the seaside for those who don't fancy the drive to Weymouth:

- 1L15 (0750 WAT - SAL) extended to Weymouth, calling at Tisbury, Gillingham (Dorset), Templecombe, Sherborne, Yeovil Junction, Yeovil Pen Mill, Maiden Newton, Dorchester West and Upwey. Due to arrive WEY at 1126.

- 2V34 (1210 WEY - YVJ) calling all stations. Due to arrive YVJ at 1303.

- 2V38 (1307 YVJ - YVP), arriving YVP at 1312.

- 2O39 (1328 YVP - YVJ), arriving YVJ at 1333.

- 2V42 (1345 YVJ - YVP), arriving YVP at 1350.

- 2O43 (1355 YVP - YVJ), arriving YVJ at 1400.

- 2V46 (1405 YVJ - WEY), calling all stations. Arriving WEY at 1508.

- 1L66 (1847 SAL - WAT) extended to start back from WEY at 1656, calling Dorchester West, Maiden Newton, Yeovil Pen Mill, Yeovil Junction, Sherborne, Templecombe, Gillingham (Dorset), Tisbury and Salisbury, then as per normal schedule.

I know SWT said that these were only proposals and they haven't said on their website that the seasonal trains will run for certain. However the diagrams are all on RealTimeTrains now.

HTIOI,
Dave

Don't want to be pedantic but I wish the Diagrams were on Real Time Trains. RTT shows a list of trains and some of their details whereas a diagram is the daily duty of traction and traincrew.

 

[causton]

Also remember the Birmingham - Shrewsbury - Crewe Virgin Trains schedules were on RTT for Easter and never actually happened, so they may be removed again

 

[berneyarms]

So far I can see the following TOC timetables:

CrossCountry
East Midlands Trains
Southeastern (to August 27th)
Transpennine Express (only 2 routes so far)
Scotrail (Existing timetables continue until 7 August)

 

[PHILIPE]

Also remember the Birmingham - Shrewsbury - Crewe Virgin Trains schedules were on RTT for Easter and never actually happened, so they may be removed again

The VT diversions via Shrewsbury to Crewe were intended for Engineering work. The SWT ones are Permanent Timetable ones.

 

[backontrack]

Of course, the thing about XC running to Newquay is that, if you live in Bugle, Luxulyan or Roche, then you can't get around on a Saturday. Surely they should be able to fit in a train to Newquay for XC each way? I know it's 'full to capacity' but wouldn't they be able to do a bit of re-jiggin?

 

[Polarbear]

Any inkling as to when the NRT from May to December 2016 will become available.

It wasn't there the other day & it's around 4 weeks to the timetable change?

 

[berneyarms]

Any inkling as to when the NRT from May to December 2016 will become available.

It wasn't there the other day & it's around 4 weeks to the timetable change?

The last few times it has been a fortnight or so beforehand.

 

[Polarbear]

The last few times it has been a fortnight or so beforehand.

Cheers for the update.