Stuttgart area loco hauled services.

[Mag_seven]

Can anyone advise if there are any decent loco hauled trains in the Stuttgart area? I already know about the Oberstdorf to Stuttgart service.

 

[Seehof]

What stock is on this service, please?

 

[rvdborgt]

What stock is on this service, please?

Regular IC carriages, see:

Datenbanksuche — Datenbank Fernverkehr

Datenbanksuche - Datenbank Fernverkehr

www.fernbahn.de

vagonWEB » Řazení vlaků » 2023 » DB IC » IC 2013 Allgäu

 

[Beebman]

Last September I travelled from Stuttgart Hbf on the last leg of a Nürnberg-Karlsruhe IC service which was formed of a 147 with a push-pull set of IC double-deckers - it was IC 2066, here's the link to it on vagonWEB:

https://www.vagonweb.cz/razeni/vlak.php?zeme=DB&cislo=2066&rok=2023

 

[43096]

Can anyone advise if there are any decent loco hauled trains in the Stuttgart area? I already know about the Oberstdorf to Stuttgart service.

The IRE200 service from Wendlingen to Ulm via the new high speed line is worked by top’n’tail Vectrons leased from ELL; there are two sets in service and both locos power.

If you want to look at what else might be loco powered, try bahn.expert website as it shows allocations for most DB Fernverkehr and some DB Regio workings.

 

[Planesandtrain]

The German rail forum (Drehscheibe) lists all of the loco hauled and n wagen regional train diagrams:
https://www.drehscheibe-online.de/foren/read.php?006,9180123

Stuttgart-Nürnberg is well worth doing

Bewgt also have their programme of tourist trains for the summer:

Freizeitexpress-Züge

Mit den Freizeitexpressen bequem und nachhaltig zu den schönsten Naturlandschaften Baden-Württembergs.

www.bwegt.de

 

[Seehof]

Can you use the Deutschlandticket on IRE trains? The Wendlingen to Ulm sounds a good loco hauled one to do!

 

[rvdborgt]

Can you use the Deutschlandticket on IRE trains?

Yes you can.

 

[yorkie]

Does anyone have a list of which Zurich to Stuttgart trains are still loco hauled?

 

[Tester]

Does anyone have a list of which Zurich to Stuttgart trains are still loco hauled?

Small sample, but today (12/4) the 10:37 dep Zuerich (IC280) was SBB loco hauled, while the 15:23 arr Zuerich (IC187) was a DB unit.

 

[ABB125]

Does anyone have a list of which Zurich to Stuttgart trains are still loco hauled?

You may well have already looked on here, but this might help:

vagonWEB » Řazení vlaků » 2023 » SBB IC

www.vagonweb.cz

Edit: having briefly looked through that list, it looks like a bit less than half the trains on the route are hauled. Of the trains running all the way through (ie: don't start or terminate at Singen), they're mostly run with a DB 101 on the German side and an SBB 420 on the Swiss side. Seemingly randomly, IC285 uses an OBB 1116 instead of a 101, but I couldn't see a corresponding return working. Anyone know anything about this?
A few trains are 420s throughout. I also spotted one of the double-deck DB IC hauled sets (is it IC2?), but that didn't go into Switzerland.
Interestingly, some trains reverse at Singen, but others appear not to (those with a 420 throughout). Is this correct? Why does this happen? And if it's possible to run the train without reversing and also without needing a loco change, why do most of them still change? Especially as 101s can (as far as I'm aware) be used in Switzerland.

 

[rvdborgt]

Interestingly, some trains reverse at Singen, but others appear not to (those with a 420 throughout). Is this correct? Why does this happen? And if it's possible to run the train without reversing and also without needing a loco change, why do most of them still change? Especially as 101s can (as far as I'm aware) be used in Switzerland.

All through trains must reverse in Singen, see openrailwaymap.org.
Maybe some 101s can be used in Switzerland (can't recall having seen them there though, other than in Basel) but surely not all of them.

 

[XAM2175]

A few trains are 420s throughout. I also spotted one of the double-deck DB IC hauled sets (is it IC2?), but that didn't go into Switzerland.
Interestingly, some trains reverse at Singen, but others appear not to (those with a 420 throughout). Is this correct? Why does this happen? And if it's possible to run the train without reversing and also without needing a loco change, why do most of them still change? Especially as 101s can (as far as I'm aware) be used in Switzerland.

All through trains must reverse in Singen, see openrailwaymap.org.
Maybe some 101s can be used in Switzerland (can't recall having seen them there though, other than in Basel) but surely not all of them.

Yes, electric trains from Stuttgart arriving at Singen and not reversing will only be able to continue to Konstanz. To the best of my knowledge none of the 101s are cleared to work on anything other than German electrification and signalling. A handful of Re 420s are configured for use in Germany (and actually classed as Re 421), but AFAIK they don't go any further than Singen, Lindau, etc etc.

I suspect vagonWEB is unfortunately just incomplete as far as those services are concerned.

 

[43096]

All through trains must reverse in Singen, see openrailwaymap.org.
Maybe some 101s can be used in Switzerland (can't recall having seen them there though, other than in Basel) but surely not all of them.

101s are not cleared for Switzerland except in border areas (eg Basel Bad to Basel SBB). They lack the safety equipment and Swiss pantographs to be able to go any further.

 

[Austriantrain]

To the best of my knowledge none of the 101s are cleared to work on anything other than German electrification and signalling.

Cleared in Austria, which of course has the same electrification parameters and train protection systems (and very similar - but not identical - specifications in general) as Germany.

 

[SeanG]

To the best of my knowledge none of the 101s are cleared to work on anything other than German electrification and signalling.

101s are definitely cleared to Austria - here is one at Graz last May about to work EC216 to Saarbrucken, which goes via Stuttgart

vagonWEB » Řazení vlaků » 2022 » ÖBB EC » EC 216 Dachstein

www.vagonweb.cz

 

[LOL The Irony]

Is the locomotive always at the back in Stuttgart?

 

[XAM2175]

Cleared in Austria, which of course has the same electrification parameters and train protection systems (and very similar - but not identical - specifications in general) as Germany.

101s are definitely cleared to Austria - here is one at Graz last May about to work EC216 to Saarbrucken, which goes via Stuttgart

vagonWEB » Řazení vlaků » 2022 » ÖBB EC » EC 216 Dachstein

www.vagonweb.cz

I don't know what I was thinking, because you've both just reminded me that I've had 101 haulage in Austria. But I'm going to claim that that's what I meant anyway when I said "anything other than German electrification and signalling"

They definitely can't use Swiss electrification and signalling, though.

Is the locomotive always at the back in Stuttgart?

Stuttgart is a terminal station (for the time being, anyway) and SBB's driving trailers can't be used with German signalling or locos, so the loco that brings the set into the station will be dropped in the platform while another loco takes the set out toward Singen.

 

[Watershed]

Bewgt also have their programme of tourist trains for the summer:

Are regional tickets (such as the Baden-Württemberg-Ticket and Deutschland-Ticket) valid on the Freizeitexpress services, e.g. SVG 19912/19932 Stuttgart <-> Singen via Ulm and Friedrichshafen? The latter is said to be class 218 hauled on the Dreischeibe thread you linked to - does anyone know whether this is still the case?

 

[30907]

Are regional tickets (such as the Baden-Württemberg-Ticket and Deutschland-Ticket) valid on the Freizeitexpress services, e.g. SVG 19912/19932 Stuttgart <-> Singen via Ulm and Friedrichshafen? The latter is said to be class 218 hauled on the Dreischeibe thread you linked to - does anyone know whether this is still the case?

It is operated on behalf of the Land, according to their website, so yes.