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Rachb07905

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Hello, I am looking to potentially move to Stratford shortly. I will be getting he jubilee which is fine but my boyfriend will have to take central all the way to Hanger Lane. Just wondered if anyone knew what Stratford central line westbound is like at around 8am weekdays? Is it unbearably busy/any possibility of getting a seat as it's quite a trek for him??

Thanks for any help you can give, Rachel :)
 
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I'd have thought there'd be plenty of people getting off a westbound Central Line to transfer to the Jubilee or DLR at this time, and if worst came to the worst you'd get a seat by the time Bank came along, if not Liverpool Street.
 

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At that time of the morning, anyone would be lucky to even get on the first train that comes in. Let alone getting a seat.
 

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I agree with Mojo, that stretch of line from Stratford to the City is extremely busy, even at off peak times. Not the nicest commute. As for a seat, there'll be lots of competition!
 

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Does anyone know of anyone that does this commute? I know someone that goes from Mile End at around the same time and she says she always gets a seat apparently! Things are looking up :)
 

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Does anyone know of anyone that does this commute? I know someone that goes from Mile End at around the same time and she says she always gets a seat apparently! Things are looking up :)
I often had cause to witness customers traveling west from stations Leytonstone to Bethnal Green. I very much doubt that by traveling at that time of day; the trains are even busier from Mile End as people change to and from the Subsurface lines, as well as customers from the locality entering the system.
 

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I'd have thought there'd be plenty of people getting off a westbound Central Line to transfer to the Jubilee or DLR at this time, and if worst came to the worst you'd get a seat by the time Bank came along, if not Liverpool Street.

No chance of a seat - trains are packed westbound until Holborn and sometimes further west.
 

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No chance of a seat - trains are packed westbound until Holborn and sometimes further west.

I wasn't allowing for the huge surge in passengers from S.E. London now choosing to escape London Bridge by adopting a longer route via the East End.
 

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I wasn't allowing for the huge surge in passengers from S.E. London now choosing to escape London Bridge by adopting a longer route via the East End.
I'm not aware it's anything to do with that? It's customers travelling from Essex and East London just travelling on the most direct route to work.
 

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I did Stratford-Holborn for a while, absolutely horrible. Very very busy at Stratford and just gets worse.
 

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I did Stratford-Holborn for a while, absolutely horrible. Very very busy at Stratford and just gets worse.

Well of course, it's called peak-hour, the clue is in the name. All tube lines into central London are full at that time of day. However it only takes about 17 minutes to Holborn when seats will have become available to those who don't crowd around the doors. Don't forget, any station where passengers alight is an opportunity for a seat irrespective of how many more board. Even so, a 17 minute stand in the peak is quite reasonable.

If the move is a permanent one, then everything gets better in 2018 when Crossrail opens and the journey to Bond Street would take 15 mins and the Central Line westwards from there would be much quieter.
 

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Does anyone know of anyone that does this commute? I know someone that goes from Mile End at around the same time and she says she always gets a seat apparently! Things are looking up :)

I highly doubt that, at least at that time in the morning. If you can get on the first Central Line train you'll be doing well.

There is a big changeover of passengers at Mile End- lots of people get off for the District/H&C, but lots of new people get on- so you might be lucky there.

I wouldn't be expecting to be sitting down before Bond Street tbh.
 

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At that time of the morning, anyone would be lucky to even get on the first train that comes in. Let alone getting a seat.

Never mind the first train, subsequent trains can be just as bad, maybe best to get Jubilee Line Stratford to Bond Street then Central Line.
 

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Do commuters on tube trains use all doors, or do they still act like sheep and try and pile in through just a handful?

I used to change trains at Finsbury Park a lot and the incoming train to Moorgate could be jam packed. Of course, an awful lot of people get off to change too - so while the train then leaves jam packed, it's a lot of newly packed people!

For any 6-car train, I just walked up the platform and boarded at the rear doors and hardly anyone else ever did. Even though the signs said 'six cars' and I could recognise many regulars, all of whom must have seen me standing often completely on my own, further up. When people got off there, I had no issue getting on and getting a seat (or having the option of one, as sometimes I chose to stand).

I just wonder if the same applies to Stratford?

Some stations where it doesn't work so well are Chancery Lane. Nobody gets off here in the evening peak, so trying to get on a train to go west means you could be waiting ages.. as in letting 3, 4 or more trains go through before you can find a gap. Old Street is another, where the trains are so packed that you probably won't find a single door that's much better than any other, although this is not helped by the fact people won't move along inside so there often is actually room.
 
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On the Central line the full length of both the train and the platform are packed so people use all doors (and all areas between the seats as well). It's not just in the peaks either - I boarded a westbound service at 1200 last week and it was still very busy throughout the train.
 

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Ignoring the issue of the amount of trains available, is the Central Line running at maximum capacity?

I know Crossrail will relieve a lot of pressure, but could they run more trains per hour in the peaks or is it already at maximum?
 

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If you are going a fair distance on the tube and expect it to be full, then aim to board wherever there seem to be less people. If it is possible to board anywhere, but still mostly standing, then get on the coach that is nearest the platform exit of the next busy interchange station. Try to get insde the coach away from the doors, (or move in a bit at each station), until you are standing in the seating area. You will then be among the first to get any seats that are vacated.
That has always worked for me both on the Tube and commuter surface rail. Interestingly, the announcements plead with passengers not to crowd around the doors so it can't be too much of a problem. I did get grimaces from those lucky enough to get seats on GEML trains when I stood in the aisle of seating areas as if i should let them enjoy their journey in comfort.
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Ignoring the issue of the amount of trains available, is the Central Line running at maximum capacity?

I know Crossrail will relieve a lot of pressure, but could they run more trains per hour in the peaks or is it already at maximum?

Probably running the maximum amount of stock that is sensible, (i.e. minimum number of standby trains).
 

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I've sometimes opted to go back a station (or even two) and board a far emptier train just to get a better position, or even a seat. Of course this works better in some places than others.

I even did this at Old Street a couple of times when there had been some disruption and the (FCC) platforms were rammed and the trains coming in were also packed. Swap over, get a virtually empty train to Moorgate and then stay on, being careful to make sure that the train I got on was going to form a WGC service back, not Hertford.

Although even if I did have to get a train going to Hertford, it didn't matter too much as I'd often be changing again at Finsbury Park anyway.
 

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Get right to the back and you may get a seat - the joy of Stratford is the train doors open on both sides which is a merry dance trying to fit on.
 

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Wherever possible on any tube train, I try to get aim for either the first or last carriage, instead of the middle. It doesn't always work though.
 

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Hello, I am looking to potentially move to Stratford shortly. I will be getting he jubilee which is fine but my boyfriend will have to take central all the way to Hanger Lane. Just wondered if anyone knew what Stratford central line westbound is like at around 8am weekdays? Is it unbearably busy/any possibility of getting a seat as it's quite a trek for him??

Thanks for any help you can give, Rachel :)

Pot luck whether he gets a seat, there would normally be people getting off at Stratford and he certainly wouldn't have to stand all the way to Hangar Lane and the trains are very frequent.

Of course he could join you on the Jubilee Line and change at Bond Street although it'll take a bit longer:D
 

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Wherever possible on any tube train, I try to get aim for either the first or last carriage, instead of the middle. It doesn't always work though.

NOT, due to the location of station entrances/exits, a good plan for the Victoria line....
 

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Hello, I am looking to potentially move to Stratford shortly. I will be getting he jubilee which is fine but my boyfriend will have to take central all the way to Hanger Lane. Just wondered if anyone knew what Stratford central line westbound is like at around 8am weekdays? Is it unbearably busy/any possibility of getting a seat as it's quite a trek for him??

Thanks for any help you can give, Rachel :)

Could your boyfriend be more flexible with his choice of destination? Park Royal (LU Piccadilly Line) is nearby and also Alperton (LU Piccadilly Line) and Stonebridge Park (LU Bakerloo and LO Euston-Watford) are within a relatively short distance (but may need a short bus hop).
 

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Could your boyfriend be more flexible with his choice of destination? Park Royal (LU Piccadilly Line) is nearby and also Alperton (LU Piccadilly Line) and Stonebridge Park (LU Bakerloo and LO Euston-Watford) are within a relatively short distance (but may need a short bus hop).

Surely the problem is at the start of the route rather than the end? He'd still have to get out of Stratford somehow, and without doing a massive detour via either the Overground or the Jubilee...

I get the Central line westbound from Mile End to Shepherd's Bush every morning between 8 and 9 and it's usually very busy - you tend to need to be patient and may have to let several go by before you can get on. If possible I tend to look for bunching trains on the screen (i.e. if there are trains in 1m, 2m, 3m) - as it's quite often good to skip the first one and get on the second or third with fewer people. Will still be busy though.

The other tip I'd give if going through to West London is to get on the first train you can and change somewhere after Oxford Circus. The vast majority of people get off at stations up to there, so westbound trains are emptier from then on, so you should be able to change and get a seat no problem.

On a good morning I get a seat at Liverpool Street or Bank. On a bad morning, it can be up to Oxford Circus! But you have to pick your train carefully - try to get into the aisle between the seats if you can!
 

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I get the Central line westbound from Mile End to Shepherd's Bush every morning between 8 and 9 and it's usually very busy - you tend to need to be patient and may have to let several go by before you can get on. If possible I tend to look for bunching trains on the screen (i.e. if there are trains in 1m, 2m, 3m) - as it's quite often good to skip the first one and get on the second or third with fewer people. Will still be busy though.

I agree with the idea when trains are bunching. A few weeks ago I was at Waterloo going to West Ham on the Jubilee Line in the middle of rush hour. The first train in was a North Greenwich, so that was no good, I then saw there were Stratford trains in 2, 3 and 5 minutes, so I let the packed 2 minute one go, as soon as it left the 3 minute train arrived, and had loads of aisle standing space (no seats) but I got one after Canada Water. It is useful to know these tricks if you have time on a connection.
 

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The first train in was a North Greenwich, so that was no good
Experience of the Jubilee Line is that Stratford trains are occasionally suddenly terminated at North Greenwich, this doesn't happen as much as it once did but it has come back after a few years of not happening at all; the decision is generally announced around London Bridge. Conversely, there have been NG trains which are announced there as now going through to Stratford. So I find getting the first regardless can be worthwhile. As I understand it the issue is crews from the Neasden end who have been delayed and it is marginal when they set off from Stanmore whether they can make it through to Stratford and back before shift end, or not, and it's reassessed at LB.

You don't say which peak hour was involved; in the morning the trains clear out very substantially at Canary Wharf, so that is the place to change from an NG terminator. In the evenings they clear out at Canada Water with people changing to the Overground southbound, and then fill up again at Canary Wharf with those headed eastwards to home, so Canada Water becomes the place to change.

Roll on Crossrail.
 

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As somebody who previously commuted from Mile End (and later Stratford) to Chancery Lane i'd say that Stratford is a better station. Lots of people leave the train and transfer to the Jubilee Line. At Stratford standing on platform 5A near the back should mean you will get on the first train, but don't expect a seat! It is much quieter after Chancery Lane as a large proportion of the train exits there. How busy the tube is also depends on whether the train coincides with the arrival of a mainline train on the adjacent platform 5. (The same applies at Mile End where if the District Line arrives you can guarantee it will be rammed)

Also bear in mind that whilst trains come every 90-120 seconds in the peak (in theory) not all of the trains go through to Hanger Lane. The trains which do go through to Hanger Lane are also invariably busier too as they originate at Epping as oppose to Hainault.

Luckily I now work near Liverpool Street and no longer have to use the Central Line!
 
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