Storm Bert Saturday 23rd November

[Mcr Warrior]

Official authorities need to be ditching X.

Aside from it's ownership problems, it's rubbish as a platform for disseminating information as you have to log in.

Is that actually correct?

 

[zwk500]

Is that actually correct?

If you don't have an account you can only see tweets specifically linked to. So if the answer is in a reply, the link has to be to that reply, not the original question.

 

[James H]

Is that actually correct?

Yes. It didn't used to be the case, though. One of many ways in which the platform has declined

 

[yorksrob]

Is that actually correct?

Whenever I try to find updates about my local football team, it directs me to posts from several years ago.

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If you don't have an account you can only see tweets specifically linked to. So if the answer is in a reply, the link has to be to that reply, not the original question.

Yes. It didn't used to be the case, though. One of many ways in which the platform has declined

Indeed.

Wholly unfit for purpose as a public information platform.

 

[800001]

Avanti are advising potential passengers 'not to travel' north of Preston tomorrow due to Storm 'Bert'....

Train Travel Information | Avanti West Coast

For train timetables and train updates, visit Avanti West Coast online today and stay up to date with travel information for your journey. Find out more.

www.avantiwestcoast.co.uk

From a source I will not name, below is information sent to all AWC staff for this weekend:-

- BSR from 11:00 tomorrow until Monday morning for Preston and beyond
- currently planning only two shuttles to Carlisle before 11:00 and nothing after that so everything will be terminating at Preston
- there will be no road transport provided so advise to customers is"do not travel" beyond Preston
- we have ticket acceptance with several operators in place already
- NR are preparing recorded announcements and the departure boards will be updated with the relevant information

 

[ainsworth74]

But Northern is only offering refunds if the train is cancelled. Similarly the train has to be is cancelled before use of an alternative is allowed, and then only with Northern and only on the same day. Is not issuing a "do not travel" really about giving passengers the choice, or just a reason not to offer the more extensive ticket relaxations that Avanti is?

Why should refunds be offered and ticket restrictions relaxed? Northern are clearly intending to run a full service? If the instruction is "do not travel" that doesn't seem like a choice. That's an instruction to "not travel".

 

[edwin_m]

Why should refunds be offered and ticket restrictions relaxed? Northern are clearly intending to run a full service? If the instruction is "do not travel" that doesn't seem like a choice. That's an instruction to "not travel".

My comment was in response to a suggestion that Northern had responded better than Avanti. Northern is attempting to run a service, clearly expecting disruption, but those with pre-booked tickets who decide to change or abandon their journeys will have no recompense unless they later find out their intended train was in fact cancelled. Also it's more acceptable to cancel work or other travel arrangements if you can truthfully say the operator is recommending not to travel.

Ideally I'd say if an operator warns of severe disruption they should attempt to run a service if possible unless there are major safety concerns, but also give passengers the option of a refund or travel on a different day. Currently it seems to be either or.

 

[D1537]

Given that the weather maps show Bert sweeping across the country from West to East, you do have to wonder why Avanti have thrown in the towel yet again whilst LNER don't appear to have any issues at all (yet). Yes, the rain appears to be a bit worse in the west, but the Met Office weather warnings apply to the entire north of England and most of Scotland...

 

[A S Leib]

There's now an amber snow warning for a lot of the Scottish Borders and northern England, with the Colne Valley, Settle & Carlisle, Ilkley, Tyne Valley and both Carlisle – Glasgow routes coming partially within that area for 07:00-12:00.

 

[Elorith]

There are BSRs of 60 mph between Lancaster and Kirkpatrick-Fleming and 40 mph between Lockerbie and Harthope, which will put considerable time into any sort of shuttle service.

 

[MadMac]

Not sure why you felt the need to put Bert in quotes... it is the name given to the storm by the Met Office (in conjunction with the Irish and Dutch Met Offices), and research shows that public messaging is more powerful when a storm can be referred to directly in this manner.

After Bert Foord? Let’s see how many get that one…..

 

[M60lad]

As has been said before one of the reasons for Avanti throwing in the towel at Preston is due to the fact that its a major crew change depot for Avanti as its where the Scottish Crew's take over so obviously they don't want the Scottish Crew stuck this side of Scotland.

Also with this storm there's the potential for quite a bit of flooding in places due to the heavy rain and no sooner the snow has fallen in some places its going to melt as the temps are going to get quite a bit warmer towards the afternoon period today.

 

[Horizon22]

As has been stated many many times in this forum when a “Do Not Travel” is issued, there are some reasons.

1. It focuses minds more than “service disruption is expected” and makes people really consider whether their journeys are necessary

2. The TOC and NR are aware there could be issues with stranded / trapped trains and the potential for a suspension of routes / lines with no feasible alternative transport.

3. To reduce passenger numbers for those that really must travel to a more manageable level of the need for alternative options and worst case scenarios is required. Not doing so would be very poor form with the information available.

 

[Magdalia]

Given that the weather maps show Bert sweeping across the country from West to East, you do have to wonder why Avanti have thrown in the towel yet again whilst LNER don't appear to have any issues at all (yet).

It is geography. Storm Bert is coming in from the west (most storms do that). The West Coast Main Line is on the western and windward side of the Pennines, and it goes high up into the Lakeland Fells, including some exposed sections. On the other hand the East Coast Main Line is on the eastern and leeward side of the Pennines, sheltered from the worst of the wind, and does not go up into any exposed hill country.

 

[Warrior2852]

York's having a bit of trouble at the moment - everything's delayed, a stopper Edinburgh stuck in platform 9 with the fast Edinburgh overtaking it on platform 5 and being given additional calls at Northallerton and Durham to compensate. Somewhere there's a XC and TPE too, the XC was meant to be ahead of the LNER fast but now it's sandwiched between that and the TPE.

 

[800001]

York's having a bit of trouble at the moment - everything's delayed, a stopper Edinburgh stuck in platform 9 with the fast Edinburgh overtaking it on platform 5 and being given additional calls at Northallerton and Durham to compensate. Somewhere there's a XC and TPE too, the XC was meant to be ahead of the LNER fast but now it's sandwiched between that and the TPE.

Nothing to do with the weather. Ambulance request for an ill passenger on board the LNER.

 

[Warrior2852]

Nothing to do with the weather. Ambulance request for an ill passenger on board the LNER.

That can't be the cause of all the issues, it's surely only contributed on top of the weather, the XC and the TPE were heavily delayed before getting anywhere near the ECML, and multiple LNERs were delayed prior to York (and most of Northern at York has been delayed to some extent too).

 

[800001]

That can't be the cause of all the issues, it's surely only contributed on top of the weather, the XC and the TPE were heavily delayed before getting anywhere near the ECML, and multiple LNERs were delayed prior to York.

The way your post is wrote implies the issues at York are caused by 1S04 (the stopper as you called it) which is not the case which is why I replied that the weather was not the case.

Maybe if you had written that XC and TPE were already delayed, your post would have be taken/read completely different.

 

[Warrior2852]

The way your post is wrote implies the issues at York are caused by 1S04 (the stopper as you called it) which is not the case which is why I replied that the weather was not the case.

Maybe if you had written that XC and TPE were already delayed, your post would have be taken/read completely different.

It was a list of issues: general delays, then the LNER, then the XC and TPE.

 

[geoffk]

The principle of naming storms, or just some of the individual names?

If the former, then I'd refer back to the strength of the public messaging that it provides. If the latter, then you are able to suggest your own for next season...

Clive Myrie called it Bertie on last night's news.

 

[Potatopotato]

Currently on an Avanti service approaching Carlisle from the south...on board announcement suggests an unadvertised service will run up into Scotland

 

[xotGD]

Nothing running in Airedale this morning.

 

[Potatopotato]

Not good

 

[yorksrob]

Nothing running in Airedale this morning.

Tree down near Keighley apparently.

 

[Oxfordblues]

I note that 1Z54 Gloucester-Edinburgh with a class 86 and 4S43 Tesco Express are both running to time over Shap.

 

[yorksrob]

No Bert Foord

Wasn't he in Batman ?

 

[noddingdonkey]

Tree down near Keighley apparently.

Wharfedale is suspended too, looks like the 08.08 ex Ilkley got as far as Burley in Wharfedale, but at least was stopped in the platform. RTT suggests its OHLE problems.

 

[yorksrob]

Wharfedale is suspended too, looks like the 08.08 ex Ilkley got as far as Burley in Wharfedale, but at least was stopped in the platform. RTT suggests its OHLE problems.

Looks to be a day of adventure !

 

[PlatformEdgeVT]

There's chaos at Manchester Victoria, a tree down on the line between Victoria and Rochdale has caused severe delays and cancellations to trains. Not helping this was a Railtour with Mayflower which was running around 15 minutes late by Victoria.

 

[a_c_skinner]

Apologies if asked or obvious. Transpennine are advising not to travel beyond Carlisle and Avanti Preston. I assume these are their crew changeover points.