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There was a 159 at Salisbury yesterday evening (would have worked the 18:2X service to London had it not been cancelled due to the incident at Basingstoke) which was smoking away somewhat on idle.

Hopefully it will be a simple fix and no permanent or costly damage has been done
 
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IIRC this is nothing new. As far as 2016, just about the time of the round of C6 refurbs, there was talk of one unit being run on the stuff as an experiment, although can't now remember the actual unit designated for same, or if the experiment went ahead, and if so what the outcomes were?
How time flies. The initial experiments with bio fuel were way back in 2008, commencing in April, and 159007 was the unit concerned, but know no more than that, other than the unit's performance was said to have not been compromised. Source: Stagecoach group press release headline found on internet search 'Biodiesel trial at South West Trains'.
 

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GWR has published an info webpage on works in Castle Cary area, Sunday 30th - Wednesday 3rd May, and it includes SWR will run a limited Yeovil Junction - Castle Cary - Westbury service

So hopefully SWR gets its 159s back in full working order by Sunday

 

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GWR has published an info webpage on works in Castle Cary area, Sunday 30th - Wednesday 3rd May, and it includes SWR will run a limited Yeovil Junction - Castle Cary - Westbury service

So hopefully SWR gets its 159s back in full working order by Sunday

Possibly fuelling at Exeter TMD if the Salisbury fuel point is still out of use?
 

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It appears that Exeter services are now running through to Basingstoke from today.
 

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They’re cancelling alternate services, so using 4 units on Romseys rather than the normal 3. So it’s not a huge impact. No idea why they’re doing it, but it would help if they are expecting people to travel Waterloo to Salisbury via Southampton.
Having just got back from there, there was also a large military history event at the tank museum with many staying around Southampton and Salisbury for cheap accommodation
 

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Water has an attraction to Biodiesel and easily absorbs moisture from the atmosphere. This water then supports microbiological growth in fuel storage tanks. If tanks were not flushed and clean can get a build up of sterol glucosides which can ultimately block diesel fuel filters

Indeed. It has been very much a known issue in the bus world for a while, with that stuff it doesn’t take long for the resulting sludge to build up in the fuel tank and if it gets pumped around the engine, it causes headaches. Biofuel needs treatment and frequent turnover to mitigate the risk.

They will have their work cut out cleaning all of those engines out - even when the systems are flushed, the bug also needs to be killed from all parts of the fuel system that have been exposed to it, or it will be back before long :(
 

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Indeed. It has been very much a known issue in the bus world for a while, with that stuff it doesn’t take long for the resulting sludge to build up in the fuel tank and if it gets pumped around the engine, it causes headaches. Biofuel needs treatment and frequent turnover to mitigate the risk.

They will have their work cut out cleaning all of those engines out - even when the systems are flushed, the bug also needs to be killed from all parts of the fuel system that have been exposed to it, or it will be back before long :(

Often the problem doesn't start in the vehicle fuel tanks, but is imported from a badly maintained static bulk tank.

Clearly this is what happened here, there were far too many problems on the fleet for it to have been a fluke that their tanks all happened to grow microbiological growth and build up sterol glycosides at same time.

Questions need to be asked about the storage conditions of the fuel tanks at Salisbury:
Were they properly sealed to stop water getting in.
Were they flushed or cleaned periodically.
What proceedures were in place to ensure the biofuel and diesel remained mixed (they are marginally different densities and will eventually split with heavier stuff at bottom, same way oil normally floats on water)
Why if they were using biofuels were they still storing it like pure diesel without sufficient extra tank quality checking.
Why was the build up not noticed until point when fuel filters became clogged (did no one notice train filters didn't seem to last as long etc) then suspect the fuel quality.

I always thought the maintenance staff at Salisbury were doing a great job, but this makes it seem like the proverbial couldn't see wood for the trees, as no one could see any build up towards clogged fuel filters.
 

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Often the problem doesn't start in the vehicle fuel tanks, but is imported from a badly maintained static bulk tank.

Clearly this is what happened here, there were far too many problems on the fleet for it to have been a fluke that their tanks all happened to grow microbiological growth and build up sterol glycosides at same time.

Questions need to be asked about the storage conditions of the fuel tanks at Salisbury:
Were they properly sealed to stop water getting in.
Were they flushed or cleaned periodically.
What proceedures were in place to ensure the biofuel and diesel remained mixed (they are marginally different densities and will eventually split with heavier stuff at bottom, same way oil normally floats on water)
Why if they were using biofuels were they still storing it like pure diesel without sufficient extra tank quality checking.
Why was the build up not noticed until point when fuel filters became clogged (did no one notice train filters didn't seem to last as long etc) then suspect the fuel quality.

I always thought the maintenance staff at Salisbury were doing a great job, but this makes it seem like the proverbial couldn't see wood for the trees, as no one could see any build up towards clogged fuel filters.
Is it not possible that the storage at Sailsbury is adequate, but a bad delivery contaminated the tanks and was dispensed before anyone realised?
 

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Is it not possible that the storage at Sailsbury is adequate, but a bad delivery contaminated the tanks and was dispensed before anyone realised?
This is more likely, I think.

If it was the Salisbury storage tanks, the problem would have shown a gradual increase over time - not suddenly hit almost the entire fleet all at once.
 

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This is more likely, I think.

If it was the Salisbury storage tanks, the problem would have shown a gradual increase over time - not suddenly hit almost the entire fleet all at once.

The problem did appear gradually over time. There have been increasing issues with the fleet for a few weeks now which cumulated in the huge problems last week.
 

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The problem did appear gradually over time. There have been increasing issues with the fleet for a few weeks now which cumulated in the huge problems last week.
Ah... thank you; that's not the impression all the coverage gives.

Presumably, then, it is the local storage tanks and not the supplier?
 

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SWR has issued a statement, some trains restored this afternoon, and full timetable from Friday 28th April

  • Diesel trains are performing as normal following a problem related to diesel fuel, which is under investigation
  • Enhanced maintenance on the small number of affected trains has allowed services in the Basingstoke, Exeter, Romsey, Salisbury and Yeovil areas to gradually resume
  • The full timetable in all these areas will be restored on Friday 28 April
We are reinstating the full West of England timetable on Friday 28 April.


Statement then explains what has happened

To restore services as soon as possible, engineers at SWR’s Salisbury train care depot have performed enhanced maintenance on all affected trains.

Fuel tanks at the depot, which provide 35,000 litres of fuel to the diesel fleet every day, have been deep cleaned and are also using fresh fuel. These steps have restored train performance, allowing services to gradually be restored.
 
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