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Stockport to Llandudno Junction

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It appears that travelling via Manchester Piccadilly and Warrington Bank Quay is not a mapped route for this journey; one must travel via Altrincham on map MJ. I’ve been unable to check if the former route qualifies by being shorter or under the 3-mile rule.

This seems a bit bonkers – most notably when map JO is entitled “Llandudno Junction to Stockport via Manchester”. JO is an option for Manchester Stations to Llandudno Junction, but not from Stockport.

Any solutions besides splitting at Manchester?
 
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It appears that travelling via Manchester Piccadilly and Warrington Bank Quay is not a mapped route for this journey; one must travel via Altrincham on map MJ. I’ve been unable to check if the former route qualifies by being shorter or under the 3-mile rule.

This seems a bit bonkers – most notably when map JO is entitled “Llandudno Junction to Stockport via Manchester”. JO is an option for Manchester Stations to Llandudno Junction, but not from Stockport.

Any solutions besides splitting at Manchester?

How about Crewe?
 

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Split at Birchwood and walk across Warrington for a small saving.

Or buy a cheaper Virgin Ony fare from Manchester to LLJ and change at Crewe.

Note that ATW services are more frequent at times though
 

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I realise I’ve been unclear. The goal is to use the via Warrington route rather than to obtain a good price via Crewe.
 

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Split at Birchwood and walk across Warrington for a small saving.

Or buy a cheaper Virgin Ony fare from Manchester to LLJ and change at Crewe.

Note that ATW services are more frequent at times though
That’s prompted me to look at a variation on the theme and splitting at Irlam is cheaper again as it’s in GMPTE.
 

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That’s prompted me to look at a variation on the theme and splitting at Irlam is cheaper again as it’s in GMPTE.
Yes, I did just that on Friday night on a trip to Bangor, which was fine as I held a season for the GMPTE area, but without a season, one would be restricted to trains stopping at Irlam.

Alternatively, a GM rail ranger would mean you can take a non-stopping train.
 

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It appears that travelling via Manchester Piccadilly and Warrington Bank Quay is not a mapped route for this journey; one must travel via Altrincham on map MJ. I’ve been unable to check if the former route qualifies by being shorter or under the 3-mile rule.

This seems a bit bonkers – most notably when map JO is entitled “Llandudno Junction to Stockport via Manchester”. JO is an option for Manchester Stations to Llandudno Junction, but not from Stockport.
Using JO on a journey from Llandudno Junction to Stockport sounds a bit bonkers to me anyway, as you'd have to make your way across Warrington in order to catch a train you could have caught at Manchester Piccadilly if you'd waited there a few minutes longer.

Any solutions besides splitting at Manchester?
If you're not looking to go there and back in a day, splitting at Helsby could be useful.
Almost everything stops at Helsby, so you don't need to worry about which train you catch. I notice that a Manchester-Chester train which normally goes non-stop via Altrincham went non-stop via Warrington instead last night, but that's about it.
Warrington and Chester are valid routeing points for Helsby for a Stockport-Helsby ticket.
Stockport-Warrington is valid via Birchwood on map NR.
Stockport-Chester is valid via Crewe or Altrincham on map MJ.
Stockport-Helsby is valid via Newton-le-Willows as that's the shortest route.
Helsby-Chester-Shotton-Llandudno Junction is the shortest route for that ticket.

If you're looking for a through ticket which lets you do what you want, there are some around. As with Stockport-Llandudno Junction tickets, they're all pretty pricey.
 

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How utterly bizarre. Via Manchester is an obviously reasonable route, indeed it was the first one that sprung to mind when I thought about the journey.

Fortunately, if you are doing a day return it's actually cheaper to split at Manchester (though others may have come up with options that are cheaper still) and if a period return (requiring two singles from Stockport) it's not significantly more expensive.
 
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