• Our new ticketing site is now live! Using either this or the original site (both powered by TrainSplit) helps support the running of the forum with every ticket purchase! Find out more and ask any questions/give us feedback in this thread!

Step Entrance Varios

Status
Not open for further replies.

AaronR

Member
Joined
12 Aug 2012
Messages
53
Hi, quick question, I was in a debate yesterday about the last of the Plaxton Beaver bodied Varios and the person I was in a debate with claims they are able to still be used as they have the wheelchair lift on the side and are to DDA spec, but my argument was why do operators not use them now then?

Who is right?
 
Sponsor Post - registered members do not see these adverts; click here to register, or click here to log in
R

RailUK Forums

mbonwick

Established Member
Joined
26 Oct 2006
Messages
6,311
Location
Kendal
Ones with a wheelchair lift can still be used as they meet DDA.
Ones without a wheelchair lift can still be used if they are classed as coaches - i.e. have 0 standee capacity.

Regardless of that, they're not attractive to operators now as times have moved on and low floor vehicles are much easier to board and provide a better passenger experience.
 

Ant158

Member
Joined
5 Apr 2013
Messages
202
They were mainly retired off in favour of Optare Solos, especially in rural areas.
 
Joined
10 Mar 2013
Messages
1,010
Ones with a wheelchair lift can still be used as they meet DDA.
Ones without a wheelchair lift can still be used if they are classed as coaches - i.e. have 0 standee capacity.

Regardless of that, they're not attractive to operators now as times have moved on and low floor vehicles are much easier to board and provide a better passenger experience.

as has been suggested lift equipped ones can be made DDA compliant or you reduce the standing numbers to ) and miraculously it;s a coach ...
 

Robertj21a

On Moderation
Joined
22 Sep 2013
Messages
7,691
as has been suggested lift equipped ones can be made DDA compliant or you reduce the standing numbers to ) and miraculously it;s a coach ...

They can be coaches anyway, regardless of seating capacity. If buses, then the maximum number of seats is, I believe, 22. I thought most lift equipped minis were DDA anyway but I suppose some might not have been fully fitted with destination screens etc.
 

Bletchleyite

Veteran Member
Joined
20 Oct 2014
Messages
113,132
Location
"Marston Vale mafia"
as has been suggested lift equipped ones can be made DDA compliant or you reduce the standing numbers to ) and miraculously it;s a coach ...

Must admit this distinction doesn't make sense to me. It would arguably make sense to instead make this contingent on use - if you register a local bus service, you must use an accessible vehicle, if it's not a local bus service, you need not do so (for now, I'd expect in time it will come).
 

Robertj21a

On Moderation
Joined
22 Sep 2013
Messages
7,691
Must admit this distinction doesn't make sense to me. It would arguably make sense to instead make this contingent on use - if you register a local bus service, you must use an accessible vehicle, if it's not a local bus service, you need not do so (for now, I'd expect in time it will come).

Correct, it may well not make total sense ! - not all laws do.....
 

Bletchleyite

Veteran Member
Joined
20 Oct 2014
Messages
113,132
Location
"Marston Vale mafia"
Correct, it may well not make total sense ! - not all laws do.....

Indeed.

My suggestion would also have the advantage, where coaches used aren't accessible, of stopping coach companies taking the mick by putting in phantom stops (that people don't actually use[1]) to allow them to slyly register the coach service as a local bus service and claim BSOG.

If that game was wanting to be avoided, a low *floor* requirement for local bus would make sense - also giving the benefit of better accessibility for those other than wheelchair users (a wheelchair lift, depending on design, may be useless for someone who uses crutches or a walking frame, for example). It might also give motivation to the industry to design a genuine low-floor coach in the manner of German Schnellbusse, which might work well on things like the UCOC X5 (though not so much on a genuine long-distance coach service where luggage provision would not be adequate unless it was a double-decker with a short lower-deck section for those with access issues).

[1] Or maybe they do. The MK-Luton Stagecoach 99 has two such stops, at Kingston Roundabout in MK (not the Kingston Centre, just an odd bus lay-by) and at the first signed stop off the M1 at Luton, for exactly that purpose. It has turned out that at certain times of day (warehouse shift changeovers) these two are the busiest stops on the route by far. So I suppose there are benefits - I expect were they not needed for that purpose those stops would never have been considered.
 
Last edited:

TheGrandWazoo

Veteran Member
Joined
18 Feb 2013
Messages
22,887
Location
Somerset with international travel (e.g. across th
Correct, it may well not make total sense ! - not all laws do.....

Indeed but there was a level of pragmatism associated with this.

Minibuses were affected first as their lifespan was shorter and the potential for outstanding depreciation minimised. Then next for single decks and then deckers.

In terms of coaches, the view was that there were a great many local services (tied in with schools work) still operated by coaches and again, the need to let enough compliant vehicles to be obtained. Same with deckers.
 
Status
Not open for further replies.

Top