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Stations as tied residences?

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biggus

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I believe it was not unusual for victorian stations to include handsome residential accommodation, presumably for the station master.

What has become of this practice, and why is it no longer common?

Would no employees find this attractive today, as part of a compensation package?
 
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Mainly because the sale value of the station buildings creates a nice little earner for the railway company whilst reducing their maintenance spend keeping all these old buildings in one piece.

I would also imagine that the changes in railway staffing meant the need for these places fell away.

(BTW if my employer wishes to offer me a house as part of my t&c's i would snap their arm off!)
 

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Mainly because the sale value of the station buildings creates a nice little earner for the railway company whilst reducing their maintenance spend keeping all these old buildings in one piece.

I would also imagine that the changes in railway staffing meant the need for these places fell away.

(BTW if my employer wishes to offer me a house as part of my t&c's i would snap their arm off!)

Don't forget it does mean on retirement you have to go out and buy (or at least make alternative arrangements) a house when you are least able to afford it.
 

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I remember visiting the Station Master's House within Bury St Edmunds station in the late 1950's.

It was (is) a building of very fine appearance externally. Sadly by that time it was poor inside.
 

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Don't forget it does mean on retirement you have to go out and buy (or at least make alternative arrangements) a house when you are least able to afford it.

Assuming it was rent free, I'd be making a saving of £100 a week by not having to pay rent, so if by retirement age (about 2,080 weeks away assuming retirement age rises a little) I couldn't afford to move on (even if it's just into a flat!), I think I'd have done something wrong!
 

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The land and sometimes even the unloved, possibly underused buildings are still there... And yet they are worthless because they are owned by NR? In the southeast the private sector rental value would be considerable, but i suggest tied accommodation would be less risky for the railway to provide.

Your 100 a week rent saving becomes worth considerably more assuming the tax and NI savings are what i think they are in having your housing provided in-kind. I need to look that up though. Rent on a nice house round my way runs about 300 a week anyway :s
 

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Assuming it was rent free, I'd be making a saving of £100 a week by not having to pay rent, so if by retirement age (about 2,080 weeks away assuming retirement age rises a little) I couldn't afford to move on (even if it's just into a flat!), I think I'd have done something wrong!

You would of course pay income tax on the deemed annual value of the accommodation, reducing your benefit by 20% or 20/40% (banded depending on salary) unless you could prove to a tax tribunal that the provision of lodgings was a customary term of employment for the role
 

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Don't forget that in the main, before planning control got progressively strengthened, land for housing was roughly the same price as land for any other purpose. By far the largest cost of a house was what it cost to build. Unlike today, particularly in the south east, where the land a house sits on is the valuable bit.

So the opportunity cost of providing a house for an employee was relatively small.
 

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It seems to me that with rents and house prices being historically out of the range of affordability form many people (particularly in the South East) it could be well worth using some of this accommodation to house lower paid members of staff. A modest salary could become quite an attractive staff package in some circumstances. Even some utilised station buildings have an upstairs floor that could become a flat (with the added bonus of having someone on site to deter vandalism).

Some of the rather splended stations between Maidstone East and Ashford spring to mind.
 

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A few years ago a friend of mine was house-hunting and went to view the Station House at Ashwell (Herts). I asked him how it went and he said, somewhat disappointedly, "It didn't occur to me that it would be near the railway".
 

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A few years ago a friend of mine was house-hunting and went to view the Station House at Ashwell (Herts). I asked him how it went and he said, somewhat disappointedly, "It didn't occur to me that it would be near the railway".

He should have gone for one of Dr Beechings !
 

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Assuming it was rent free, I'd be making a saving of £100 a week by not having to pay rent, so if by retirement age (about 2,080 weeks away assuming retirement age rises a little) I couldn't afford to move on (even if it's just into a flat!), I think I'd have done something wrong!

You surely don't believe a company will provide a house and pay the same salary as if they didn't provide the house?
 

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I lived in one of these houses for a while, but I was very young (around 3-5), and all I can remember is getting into trouble for various things, like climbing up the coal stack in the yard, and letting our chickens out to wander over the rail lines. It was a big house though. Station was closed under Beeching, but we'd already moved out as my Dad had been promoted...
 

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If Network Rail is struggling to adequately maintain some of its stations I'm not sure how it can be expected to maintain station master residences. Even as far back as the mid 50's such properties were already falling into a state of disrepair and costing BR a lot of money to fix!

As an aside, I've seen pictures which were taken of the interior of a railway cottage on the S&C in around 1980 shortly before it was sold by BR. Even 30 years a go it could have hardly been described as desirable!
 

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It wasn't just station masters, housing was provided for signalmen, porters, platelayers, even lodging houses near large depots for visiting enginemen. It seems the companies saw housing their workforce as a responsibility. The most extravagent company was probably the GWR, which built several residences opposite Swindon Works, with names such as 'Newburn', 'Woodlands' and 'Station Villa' for such eminent people as Joseph Armstrong and his family. When G.J. Churchward was living in Newburn, he used to ignore the convenient works tunnel and commute to work by crossing the main line on foot. He bought the place on retirement, but continued his lineside excursions until an encounter with a Fishguard express put an end to them (and him). Newburn remained empty afterwards, but was eventually pulled down as part of a new annexe on the south side of the line, which is now disused.
 

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It wasn't just station masters, housing was provided for signalmen, porters, platelayers, even lodging houses near large depots for visiting enginemen. It seems the companies saw housing their workforce as a responsibility. The most extravagent company was probably the GWR, which built several residences opposite Swindon Works, with names such as 'Newburn', 'Woodlands' and 'Station Villa' for such eminent people as Joseph Armstrong and his family. When G.J. Churchward was living in Newburn, he used to ignore the convenient works tunnel and commute to work by crossing the main line on foot. He bought the place on retirement, but continued his lineside excursions until an encounter with a Fishguard express put an end to them (and him). Newburn remained empty afterwards, but was eventually pulled down as part of a new annexe on the south side of the line, which is now disused.

I think you may be combining two separate provision of housing. Senior managers at Swindon, Crewe etc were provided with large houses for their use, presumably to ensure they were always available when needed as well as a perk.

Much of the staff accommodation for low graded staff was provided only when there was no local alternative. Hence railwaymen's cottages on the Settle & Carlisle line where there was no local accommodation which would allow staff to get to work and do any work.

Some of the railway towns Crewe, Swindon, Horwich did have estates of workmen's houses built by the railway companies but mainly because being new towns there was no existing housing stock. The same applied to other new towns such as Saltaire, New Lanark etc although with slightly different motives.

Where there was lots of housing stock and plenty of speculative builders to provide housing the railway companied left it to the market to sort out the housing supply. Hence there were no railway cottages at Edge Hill but lots of railwaymen living all around the area.
 

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Some of the railway towns Crewe, Swindon, Horwich did have estates of workmen's houses built by the railway companies but mainly because being new towns there was no existing housing stock. The same applied to other new towns such as Saltaire, New Lanark etc although with slightly different motives.

Although Derby wasn't a 'new' town when the railway arrived, there are fine examples of railway houses near the station along with of course the quite wonderful Brunswick pub! All of which I believe are listed.
 

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I recall a rows of terraced railway homes along Marsh Rd Rhyl(down line side) & similar along West Kinmel st(opposite Rhyl number two box) built I presume by the Company prior to LMS, one of these had the famous "Mummy in the cupboard" case of the 1960s, Rhyl station had its station master,then station Manager living on site until around 1967. The station buildings are owned by Denbighshire County Council now, NR only own the track.
Rhyl station will always be famous for having an elephant siding, used by the circuses for summer shows & winter quarters before WW2, this siding was near Platform 2 before it became a car park.
 

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I didn't say that.

"Assuming it was rent free, I'd be making a saving of £100 a week by not having to pay rent, so if by retirement age (about 2,080 weeks away assuming retirement age rises a little) I couldn't afford to move on (even if it's just into a flat!), I think I'd have done something wrong!".

What does the above mean then?
 

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Although Derby wasn't a 'new' town when the railway arrived, there are fine examples of railway houses near the station along with of course the quite wonderful Brunswick pub! All of which I believe are listed.

Similar to Ashford, which was a small market town that had to have a new town added to it (called Newtown imaginatively enough).
 

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"Assuming it was rent free, I'd be making a saving of £100 a week by not having to pay rent, so if by retirement age (about 2,080 weeks away assuming retirement age rises a little) I couldn't afford to move on (even if it's just into a flat!), I think I'd have done something wrong!".

What does the above mean then?

It means what it says, "ASSUMING it was rent free....".
 

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If Network Rail is struggling to adequately maintain some of its stations I'm not sure how it can be expected to maintain station master residences. Even as far back as the mid 50's such properties were already falling into a state of disrepair and costing BR a lot of money to fix!

As an aside, I've seen pictures which were taken of the interior of a railway cottage on the S&C in around 1980 shortly before it was sold by BR. Even 30 years a go it could have hardly been described as desirable!

Why would the rental income from these residential buildings be too low to cover their construction and maintenance just because they belong to the railway?

A rule of thumb for residential builds is that land costs a good 1/3 of the price of the dwelling you build on it. Given that the land and some of the buildings I am talking about are "free" (i.e. sitting there doing little or nothing except requiring maintenance), the railway should stand to make a handsome profit by building homes on them and renting them out.

Now, lets add the constraint that for practical and legal reasons, it would likely suit the railway to restrict occupancy of said buildings to employees of the railway. How much of a discount below market rate would a railway employee require to take up the on-site accommodation? Would it really be such a discount as to eliminate any profit for the railway?

The railway employee could rent for cash (on income that had been taxed) or they could trade the accommodation for labour in kind (which also attracts taxes).

Alternatively, if the railway requires certain categories of its employees to occupy accommodation at their place of work, and this is genuinely of benefit to the employer for, say, security reasons, then this constitutes tied accommodation. It is not taxed as an in-kind benefit, which means that the employee and the employer avoid the NICs and income tax on the value of the accommodation (assuming that the net cost of the accommodation is implicitly deducted from the wages of the employee).

This means that the in-kind rent paid by the employee comes out effectively way below market rate, as much as 50% below it would seem.

The railway lowers its costs and its taxes by paying part of its wage bill in kind by providing staff accommodation that was otherwise just empty ground or old buildings rotting into the ground. They also get railway personnel on site and on call (subject to proper rostas and union assent) to help deal with emergencies and provide a background level of security simply by virtue of the place being occupied 24/7.

The employee also avoids taxes and gets a much nicer house than they could have afforded if they had to receive the necessary income through their paycheck, plus they get a really short commute.

What's not to like? Well, assuming all "station masters" are on a standard pay grade, you probably have to pay them all the same salary whether or not they get accommodation, otherwise the exchequer hits you for in-kind benefits again. Thats the tricky bit. Creating a pay grade that comes with the house without getting caught out if there are not enough houses to go around.

But you could still rent the accommodation to railway employees and make some money that way.

Caught between the exchequer and the unions... someone needs to get creative about the politics of that one!
 
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