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The Stagecoach X34 sees some long high speed blasts with E400s too. Does it have similar struggles?
The E400s - the 'classic' ones at least - usually used on the X34 etc are Scania N230UDs which seem better suited to such high-speed runs compared to the ADL/Cummins equivalent, but fuel/running costs and manufacturer/spare parts support have obviously favoured the latter for a good few years now.

Plus, and not to go off-topic, didn't Stagecoach as a whole have something of a falling out with Scania with respect to the latter point in the last few years? Not as spectacular as their falling out with MAN in the late 2000s, but I do remember reading/hearing about it, which may have something to do with the significantly smaller intake of Scania products in the last 5-6 years compared to a decade or so ago.

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Savings to be had when buying an intergral bus from ADL
Indeed, but as you say, the Cummins lump in the integral ADLs isn't entirely suited to high-speed motorway runs without the correct maintenance regimen in place to mitigate any problems that would inevitably arise. The Scania equivalents aren't perfect of course, but they'd be far better suited to the likes of the Cumbernauld expresses in my personal view (doesn't count for much I know, but still).
 
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The Scanias on the X34/36 are really robust. An MMC does make it on occasionally, but they seem rather sluggish compared to the Scanias.

I think the MMCs here would suffer similar problems to Cumbernauld's if they were on the Expresses constantly.
 

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Is there any chance that the pre covid timetable for the 500 between Dumfries and Stranraer is likely to be restored for this summer? A few years ago I had a really good week staying in Dumfries using a 7 Day ticket. The 500 was my main route used to reach so many interesting locations and connections to other routes. It’s something I’d like to do again but with the current timetable would not be practical as it’s too sparse a service to be able to get on and off at places to explore.
 

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Is there ongoing reliability issues with the Citylink 900 Panoramas??

Three of the X76 fleet were all on 900s today (50401, 402 and 405). This meant that there were some E400MMCs running X76 services at the peak time today (10909, 10910, 10911 and 10914).
 
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Is there ongoing reliability issues with the Citylink 900 Panoramas??

Three of the X76 fleet were all on 900s today (50401, 402 and 405). This meant that there were some E400MMCs running X76 services at the peak time today (10909, 10910, 10911 and 10914).
Been stated before that the 900 is running from Kilmarnock depot for now.
 

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Been stated before that the 900 is running from Kilmarnock depot for now.
I know, but surely the priority for the 900 should be putting the Citylink spec coaches on.

The 900 fleet of coaches are at Kilmarnock, but not all of them seem to be going on the 900, instead they are subbing out X76 branded ones.
 
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I know, but surely the priority for the 900 should be putting the Citylink spec coaches on.

The 900 fleet of coaches are at Kilmarnock, but not all of them seem to be going on the 900, instead they are subbing out X76 branded ones.
They've been using one of the 900 ones on the M20 as well, Downside of getting on an X76 one is a locked toilet. See McLean's putting in an odd appearance now and again as well.
 
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I know, but surely the priority for the 900 should be putting the Citylink spec coaches on.

The 900 fleet of coaches are at Kilmarnock, but not all of them seem to be going on the 900, instead they are subbing out X76 branded ones.

One of the rumoured reasons for the switch to Kilmarnock was to do with Maintenance. Perhaps the 900 branded ones are deemed not fit enough to go out and are receiving attention. Hence the substitutions.
 

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I don’t think it’s the whole 900 allocation that’s moved to Kilmarnock is it? Only certain boards.
 
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I don’t think it’s the whole 900 allocation that’s moved to Kilmarnock is it? Only certain boards.
See more X76 Panoramas on it more often than not, only 900 ones I see are Park's ones, certainly a few 900 Panoramas in Kilmarnock just now as well.
 

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I don’t think it’s the whole 900 allocation that’s moved to Kilmarnock is it? Only certain boards.
The whole of Stagecoach Cumbernauld allocations have moved to Kilmarnock for the next few months. A few Cumbernauld drivers are on loan to Kilmarnock to cover these runs. The dead mileage is crazy. It includes Kilmarnock - Edinburgh with most drivers going the long way up the M77 to Glasgow and across the M8 due to lack of route knowledge of the quicker route
 
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The whole of Stagecoach Cumbernauld allocations have moved to Kilmarnock for the next few months. A few Cumbernauld drivers are on loan to Kilmarnock to cover these runs. The dead mileage is crazy. It includes Kilmarnock - Edinburgh with most drivers going the long way up the M77 to Glasgow and across the M8 due to lack of route knowledge of the quicker route
A71 is definitely the quickest.
 

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They've been using one of the 900 ones on the M20 as well, Downside of getting on an X76 one is a locked toilet. See McLean's putting in an odd appearance now and again as well.
50412 is the Citylink coach found on the M11/M20 workings. This coach is to substitute 50408 which was involved in a serious RTC on the M6 near Sandbach. Traffic came to a standstill due to roadworks but the wagon behind the coach didn't stop and ploughed into it. The damage was substantial and the wagon looked like a write off
 

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The whole of Stagecoach Cumbernauld allocations have moved to Kilmarnock for the next few months. A few Cumbernauld drivers are on loan to Kilmarnock to cover these runs. The dead mileage is crazy. It includes Kilmarnock - Edinburgh with most drivers going the long way up the M77 to Glasgow and across the M8 due to lack of route knowledge of the quicker route
Thanks for clarifying. Seems absolute madness to be doing that and certainly not sustainable long term.
 

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50412 is the Citylink coach found on the M11/M20 workings. This coach is to substitute 50408 which was involved in a serious RTC on the M6 near Sandbach. Traffic came to a standstill due to roadworks but the wagon behind the coach didn't stop and ploughed into it. The damage was substantial and the wagon looked like a write off
Owch. Looks like 50408 took quite a bit of a beating in that.

I’m assuming 50408 is likely to be repaired given they are still relatively new coaches, unless the damage is too substantial?
 

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Owch. Looks like 50408 took quite a bit of a beating in that.

I’m assuming 50408 is likely to be repaired given they are still relatively new coaches, unless the damage is too substantial?
I assume it will be repaired, albeit, slowly. 50414 is also in Ferrymill for collision damage within Kilmarnock depot and 2 Gold Astromega 50309 and 50312 seem to be there also for some reason. With Cumbernauld retaining their early Aberdeen, 2 x Inverness and bus station spare in Glasgow from Monday it should be interesting to see how they make fleet
 
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Given that they are still in production and all the bits readily available, would it not be best just to write it off as an insurance claim and get a new one?


Could be the kick they need to replace some of the older astro megazord doing express or longer distance work.
 

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Is Ayr helping out on Megabus / Citylink work due to the ongoing issues at Cumbernauld? Branded X77 54339 was on the M9 at 4pm from Perth heading back down to Glasgow.
 

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Yes, it is on loan. Stagecoach liveried Panorama 50404 also worked todays 11:10 M10 Glasgow - Inverness and 16:15 M10 Inverness - Glasgow

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Possibly on loan to Cumbernauld while trying to sort their mess of a fleet out.
Is Ayr helping out on Megabus / Citylink work due to the ongoing issues at Cumbernauld? Branded X77 54339 was on the M9 at 4pm from Perth heading back down to Glasgow.
54339 28/03

09:10 M9 Glasgow - Aberdeen
13:45 M9 Aberdeen - Glasgow
17:40 M9 Glasgow - Aberdeen

Currently overnighting in Aberdeen so will likely be back out in the morning on M9/M92/909 services subject to which working it is allocated to

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54339 29/03 is working the 11:45 M9 Aberdeen - Glasgow and then should work another M9 back to Aberdeen between 4 and 5pm unless it is swapped. 50404 is on standby duties in Buchanan Bus Station today
 
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Yes, it is on loan. Stagecoach liveried Panorama 50404 also worked todays 11:10 M10 Glasgow - Inverness and 16:15 M10 Inverness - Glasgow

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54339 28/03

09:10 M9 Glasgow - Aberdeen
13:45 M9 Aberdeen - Glasgow
17:40 M9 Glasgow - Aberdeen

Currently overnighting in Aberdeen so will likely be back out in the morning on M9/M92/909 services subject to which working it is allocated to

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54339 29/03 is working the 11:45 M9 Aberdeen - Glasgow and then should work another M9 back to Aberdeen between 4 and 5pm unless it is swapped. 50404 is on standby duties in Buchanan Bus Station today
Are the majority of the X76 batch of Panoramas on Citylink work now? There were quite a few MMCs out on the X76 this morning (10909, 910, 911 and 916). 50284 is the only Astromega on with no sign of 50405.
 

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Are the majority of the X76 batch of Panoramas on Citylink work now? There were quite a few MMCs out on the X76 this morning (10909, 910, 911 and 916). 50284 is the only Astromega on with no sign of 50405.
Most of them seem to be out on the 900 services. 50405 is on 900s today as well. The transfer of work is causing havoc not only because of the dead mileage. If a driver who is on loan at Kilmarnock for 900s fails for duty then Cumbernauld must find and supply a driver for the duty. Given Cumbernauld have up to 8 duties off the road each day finding a driver to supply is difficult. The industry as a whole is struggling for drivers. Each day 3 of 4 managers/allocators/controllers are out driving Cumbernauld domestic runs in the morning to keep the peak service going
 

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Most of them seem to be out on the 900 services. 50405 is on 900s today as well. The transfer of work is causing havoc not only because of the dead mileage. If a driver who is on loan at Kilmarnock for 900s fails for duty then Cumbernauld must find and supply a driver for the duty. Given Cumbernauld have up to 8 duties off the road each day finding a driver to supply is difficult. The industry as a whole is struggling for drivers
Yikes, so the movement has really gone and thrown a spanner in the works with everything.
 

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I'm sure the industry would be in a far better place if the DVLA would get their finger out and issue or renew a few more licences. Friend of mine who wanted to go back to trucks sent his off six months ago and only just got it back after intervention from his local MP
 

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I'm sure the industry would be in a far better place if the DVLA would get their finger out and issue or renew a few more licences. Friend of mine who wanted to go back to trucks sent his off six months ago and only just got it back after intervention from his local MP
The main issue is down to pay, conditions, shift length and vehicle maintenance. £12 an hour doesn’t quite cut it for the responsibility involved
 
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Most of them seem to be out on the 900 services. 50405 is on 900s today as well. The transfer of work is causing havoc not only because of the dead mileage. If a driver who is on loan at Kilmarnock for 900s fails for duty then Cumbernauld must find and supply a driver for the duty. Given Cumbernauld have up to 8 duties off the road each day finding a driver to supply is difficult. The industry as a whole is struggling for drivers. Each day 3 of 4 managers/allocators/controllers are out driving Cumbernauld domestic runs in the morning to keep the peak service going
Cumbernauld has always struggled for drivers. Its never been up to the required staffing levels. Changed days from Blochairn when you had to hope somebody retired or they got new Citylink work to get a start.
 

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Hopefully Stagecoach are not forcing Cumbernauld drivers to go on loan to Kilmarnock. It’s hardly round the corner. Although it wouldn’t surprise me with them.

Cumbernauld has always struggled for drivers. Its never been up to the required staffing levels. Changed days from Blochairn when you had to hope somebody retired or they got new Citylink work to get a start.
Doesn’t surprise me one bit. I did 4 years with Stagecoach in London and never had an issue with them. Transferred to Cumbernauld when I moved house and lasted a month. Horrible, horrible depot. Awful atmosphere about the place, shocking maintenance standards, stupidly long shifts. And a supervisor there who shall remain nameless but was the most ignorant, obnoxious person I’ve ever had the misfortune to encounter in my 14 years in the industry.
 

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I seen one of the demo Panoramas at Victoria Bus Station on Sunday night along with a Macleans on M11. Was the Macleans a Dupe?
 
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