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St Malo to Charleroi.

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reb0118

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Is is possible/practical to travel from St. Malo in Brittany to Charleroi in Belgium by way of using TER services? Breaking the journey overnight would not be an issue, and avoiding Paris a bonus - but not essential.

I would be arriving at St. Malo Port at 08:15 ex the overnight ferry from Portsmouth and I could leave after midday to give myself a few hours to see the town.
 
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To avoid Paris you would have to go:-

St.Malo - Dol - Caen - Rouen - Amiens - Lille - Charleroi.

It is not possible in a day - for that you would have to go via Paris.
 

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Bahn.com should be able to find this - you can deselect high speed and intercity trains in the options.

You can certainly get as far as St Quentin or Amiens (changing at Rennes, Laval, Le Mans and crossing Paris), but with a late arrival.

I think it will be hard to avoid Paris
 

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Is is possible/practical to travel from St. Malo in Brittany to Charleroi in Belgium by way of using TER services? Breaking the journey overnight would not be an issue, and avoiding Paris a bonus - but not essential.

I would be arriving at St. Malo Port at 08:15 ex the overnight ferry from Portsmouth and I could leave after midday to give myself a few hours to see the town.
Yes it is easily possible to do that journey both entirely on TER trains and entirely avoiding the Paris region.

You would have to take seven trains as follows:

• Saint Malo to Dol De Bretagne
• Dol De Bretagne to Granville
• Granville to Caen
• Caen to Rouen Rive Droite
• Rouen Rive Droite to Lille Flandres
• Lille Flandres to Maubeuge
• Maubeuge to Charleroi

It is possible to do entirely in one day if you allow Belgian intercity trains to be used from Lille onwards:

• 10:21 Saint Malo to Dol De Bretagne 10:37
• 11:59 Dol De Bretagne to Granville 12:56
• 13:06 Granville to Caen 14:43
• 16:08 Caen to Rouen Rive Droite 17:48
• 18:22 Rouen Rive Droite to Lille Flandres 21:07
• 22:09 Lille Flandres to Gint Sint Peters 23:24
• 23:48 Gint Sint Peters to Brussels South 00:17
• 00:25 Brussels South to Charleroi 01:23

If you are very lucky and manage to make a two minute connection at Lille then you can get there an hour earlier:

• 10:21 Saint Malo to Dol De Bretagne 10:37
• 11:59 Dol De Bretagne to Granville 12:56
• 13:06 Granville to Caen 14:43
• 16:08 Caen to Rouen Rive Droite 17:48
• 18:22 Rouen Rive Droite to Lille Flandres 21:07
• 21:09 Lille Flandres to Kortrijk 21:45
• 22:11 Kortrijk to Brussels South 23:20
• 23:32 Brussels South to Charleroi 00:29

Both of these option above use Belgian intercity trains so i am not sure whether you would count these as they are not a TER equivalent. But at least they get you there all in one day. So no extra hotel costs.

The following options below use Belgian S Trains which are their equivalent to TER trains.

You could do the following from Saint Malo to the Belgian border in one day but unfortunately you miss the last connecting Belgian train:

• 10:21 Saint Malo to Dol De Bretagne 10:37
• 11:59 Dol De Bretagne to Granville 12:56
• 13:06 Granville to Caen 14:43
• 16:08 Caen to Rouen Rive Droite 17:48
• 18:22 Rouen Rive Droite to Lille Flandres 21:07
• 21:35 Lille Flandres to Maubeuge 22:53
OVERNIGHT
• 06:45 Maubeuge to Charleroi 07:41
(or frequent later trains from Maubeuge at 06:45 07:45 09:45 11:45 13:45 15:45 17:45 19:45 20:45 if you want to leave later)

The trains from Saint Malo to Dol De Bretagne are frequent but the next train from Dol De Bretagne after 11:59 is the 18:33 so you would have to overnight in Caen if you want to leave Saint Malo later:

• 18:05 Saint Malo to Dol De Bretagne 18:21
• 18:33 Dol De Bretagne to Granville 19:42
• 19:53 Granville to Caen 21:31
OVERNIGHT
• 08:07 Caen to Rouen Rive Droite 09:49
• 11:18 Rouen Rive Droite to Lille Flandres 14:07
• 14:35 Lille Flandres to Maubeuge 15:47
• 17:45 Maubeuge to Charleroi 18:48

So there are a few options of where you can stay overnight along the route.

These are just examples and there are other places you can break your journey or take an earlier train or later train if you want more time to explore one of the intermediate towns.

The timetables for each line on this journey can be downloaded at these links here:

• Saint Malo to Dol De Bretagne timetable:

• Dol De Bretagne to Granville timetable:

• Granville to Caen timetable:

• Caen to Rouen Rive Droite timetable:

• Rouen Rive Droite to Lille Flandres timetable:

• Lille Flandres to Maubeuge timetable:

• Maubeuge to Charleroi timetable:

You may find it convinient to look at these and work out if you wish to break your journey somewhere else along the way.
 

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There are also hourly SNCB trains from Maubeuge to Charleroi. Unfortunately the last one departs before you arrive in Lille. But in any case it would be wiser to interrupt your travel in Lille at 21h07 than in Maubeuge at 22h53.
 

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1.state for WHEN- many people nowadays, and certainly in this period, plan for summer and times for then are not yet available. Use above for general planning. There MAY be special low prices for those TER-trains, but I guess its yet another staff/privilege one?
2. I do NOT agree with ´avoid Maubeuge' by 23.00 there is a quite good (think Premier standard, or rather Ibis) right beside this station/gare, from a large chain that is mostly present in DE=Germany and FR=France, in DE most often very close by stations, named hotelBB (=Bed & Brekkie, tough the brekkie is not UK-style). I´ve used hotels from this chain quite often and since long time-also this one and would rec. it. But of course- use a general site like booking.com and see whats available and the cost.
There is also a TEC (belgian) direct bus to Mons from there. If PAYG=payasyougo: a citybus to just over border in BElgium and then NMBS train is far cheaper.
This is as just by chance some 10 mins ago I booked for myself a ticket in BElgium to go to Charleroi-senior discount and for me now also train+ for extra discount. IF there would be one city to avoid, for me this would be that Charleroi-I just pass by then.
 

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Is Charleroi really that bad? I know it was very industrial in the past and has a terrible reputation, but I wonder how much that is deserved.

Former mining and industrial towns in many places still seem to be judged by how they were decades ago. In many cases they have cleaned themselves up and now make pleasant and interesting places to visit.
 

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Thanks for all answers. In regards to using intercity trains in Belgium that's no problem. In truth, the classification of the train is not an issue, rather the lack of compulsory reservations is a bonus. Plus you get to see parts of the country you otherwise may not see.

I've actually been through Mauberge before - some good Vauban fortifications survive.

Still at the planning stage.

Why Charleroi? There's a cheap flight home involved.
 

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Why Charleroi? Surely everyone is interested in the Vicinal to metro conversion, the ghost line out to the east, Anderlues with some traditional Vicinal running (but no longer the suicidal single track in one lane of the road) and the Gosselies one-way loop?
 

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Why Charleroi? Surely everyone is interested in the Vicinal to metro conversion, the ghost line out to the east, Anderlues with some traditional Vicinal running (but no longer the suicidal single track in one lane of the road) and the Gosselies one-way loop?
50 years too late :'(

(It was completely excellent!)
 
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