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i need to get to shepherds bush from st albans. which tickets are valid from st albans (via st pancras) and also from st albans abbey (via watford junction)? thanks
 
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Assuming you want a Standard Class return, St Albans City (SAC) to Shepherds Bush (SPB) is £15 Anytime, or £10 Off Peak changing at West Hampstead. If you want to go via London then that costs £4.90 and £3 extra, respectively.

Avantix won't show any fares from St Albans Abbey (SAA) to SPB, but the fare from nearby Park Street, changing at Watford Junction (avoiding London) is £13.50 Anytime, or £10 Off Peak.
 

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I think you could buy a ticket for SAA - park street on board (the Abbey Line sells all tickets on board) but you would probably have to pay quite a lot for one stop. Can you get a fare from Watford?

Having said that, if you are brave enough to cross the dual carriageway I think it is an alright walk.
 

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Yes you can, but you're probably better off with a ticket to Kensington Olympia (KPA).

SAA - KPA £15.00 Anytime, £10.90 Off Peak.

It's clearly an anomaly. When the new station came into existence I think someone forgot about SAA. I think that SAA and SAC should both be part of a new St Albans Stations group. It exists for Southend, Pontefract, Bradford, Hertford and many others... why on earth not for St Albans?
 

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I have thought the same thing about a St Albans group. It can be a real nuisance having to look up both unless I know what route I expect to take.
 

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St Albans City has a Routeing Point of Watford Junction. Both National Rail and the London Midland website show the Any Permitted fares as valid via St Pancras or Watford.
 

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Thetrainline won't have it via Watford, but that's crap (Yes I know Thetrainline staff read this site, and they still don't sort the problems! Unbelievable) and certainly not authoritative.

Interestingly both SAA and SAC have the same Routeing Points (RPs);

  • Bedford,
  • Watford Junction and
  • West Hampstead Group
Apart from Bedford, either of the other two RPs may be used as they both pass the 'fares check' rule.

Well spotted, csilke!
 

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ok thanks for that. so if i buy a st albans -> london terminals tickets and travel from st albans abbey via watford junction, where is london terminals? does that include shepherds bush?
 

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Which is Euston and St pancras as far as St Albans is concerned.

Depending on why you're going and how long you'll be in Shepherds Bush, You could always get a London Travelcard which is £14.50 off peak from St Albans, travel to Shepherds Bush and when you've finished there have a mosey around West London.
 

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so london terminals can take me through to willesden junction and then its just oyster from there to shepherds bush?
 

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so london terminals can take me through to willesden junction and then its just oyster from there to shepherds bush?
An Off Peak Day return from St Albans Abbey to Willesden Jn is £8.30.
An Off Peak Day return from St Albans Abbey to London Terminals is £9.50
An Off Peak Day return from St Ablans to Shepherds Bush is £10.00 (Rte: West Hampstead) or £13.00 (Rte: +Any Permitted)
An Off Peak Day return from St Albans Abbey to Watford Jn is £4.20

Oyster can be used from Watford or anywhere south of Watford including Harrow, Willesden, or wherever, to Shepherds Bush.

Combining a paper ticket and Oyster may be cheaper than a through paper ticket but it is unlikely.

Single Oyster fares can be checked here:

http://www.tfl.gov.uk/tfl/tickets/faresandtickets/farefinder/current/

A return is priced as 2 x singles.
 

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around the same time i asked this question on the forum, i also asked first capital connect customer services for their understanding of the situation with st albans and st albans abbey. they have just replied and seem to disagree with what's been said on the forum. who is right?

FCC said..

Tickets from St Albans are only valid from St Albans and are not valid from St Albans Abbey. If the destination is London Terminals they are valid for travel to all stations up to and including St Pancras on the Thameslink route. They are not valid on any other route including London Underground or to Shepherds Bush. Should you wish to travel on the Underground you would be required to purchase a ticket valid for this purpose such as an all zones Travelcard which includes all underground travel within zones 1-6.
 
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