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A8wm5

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If the following journey:

15/11/2025

09:44 -> 10:56 Durham to Doncaster LNER
11:42 -> 12:09 Doncaster to Sheffield TPE

19:11 -> 19:37 Sheffield to Doncaster TPE
20:12 -> 21:25 Doncaster to Durham LNER

Is made using the following tickets:

Durham to Doncaster Advance Single 1st
Doncaster to Sheffield Anytime Short Return 1st (TPE only)
Doncaster to Durham Advance Single (1st Class)

Is this considered to be a use of 'split tickets' please? I've been informed that split tickets are used for the same service and not a different TOC, and that as the return ticket is TPE only and I would change at Doncaster to board another service, it is considered a standalone ticket and not a split ticket - but I'm trying to get my head around this as I don't understand how this is correct. Ultimately I would be travelling with a 'combination of tickets', and it is for a valid itinerary (the forum site retails it!), so I don't see how it doesn't class as split tickets.

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If the following journey:

15/11/2025

09:44 -> 10:56 Durham to Doncaster LNER
11:42 -> 12:09 Doncaster to Sheffield TPE

19:11 -> 19:37 Sheffield to Doncaster TPE
20:12 -> 21:25 Doncaster to Durham LNER

Is made using the following tickets:

Durham to Doncaster Advance Single 1st
Doncaster to Sheffield Anytime Short Return 1st (TPE only)
Doncaster to Durham Advance Single (1st Class)

Is this considered to be a use of 'split tickets' please? I've been informed that split tickets are used for the same service and not a different TOC, and that as the return ticket is TPE only and I would change at Doncaster to board another service, it is considered a standalone ticket and not a split ticket - but I'm trying to get my head around this as I don't understand how this is correct. Ultimately I would be travelling with a 'combination of tickets', and it is for a valid itinerary (the forum site retails it!), so I don't see how it doesn't class as split tickets.

Thanks
There isn't as far as I'm aware a formal industry definition for 'split tickets'.

The NRCoT basically say that one or more tickets can be used to make a journey.

On that basis, these would be considered 'split' tickets, because it's not a straight through Durham to Sheffield ticket.

All it really means is you must use trains stopping at Doncaster. Normally would say you don't need to actually leave the train here if it's a straight through train you've got on, but as you have LNER Advances and a TPE return, which matches your changes, you won't really have a choice in that anyway.
 

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@A8wm5. I would say that you have split tickets in that you are essentially travelling from Durham to Sheffield and back, but you aren't using through tickets from Durham all the way to Sheffield (or vice-versa). Presume when you change trains at Doncaster, your planned itinerary respects the minimum connection time of 7 minutes. If so, can't see any problem with what you're planning.
 

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Don't they have to be bought in one transaction for them to be treated as one journey for the purposes of delay repay and being allowed on later trains if a connection is missed?
 

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Don't they have to be bought in one transaction for them to be treated as one journey for the purposes of delay repay and being allowed on later trains if a connection is missed?
No.
 

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Don't they have to be bought in one transaction for them to be treated as one journey for the purposes of delay repay and being allowed on later trains if a connection is missed?
No. In fact they don't even have to be bought from the same retailer, or bought on the same day.

It does however make it easier if they are bought in the same booking/transaction from the same retailer when it comes to things like Delay Repay. Moreso if purchased as a single itinerary from a split ticket booking engine. This way there'll be an itinerary to more easily show that they covered a valid itinerary and were intended to be for a complete journey. But strictly speaking it's not necessary.
 

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Your itinerary shows impressively long dwell times for you at Doncaster (especially on the outward journey)
 
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