Speed Limits (50 over 75)

[Ascot]

As said, LTS are xx/MUyy.

And i stated all that as to show that it isn't a simple 2 penny basic rule and in Scotland there are restrictions that are not on signs. If you look at the SA for it you'll see.

They use a ' symbol to denote these, as i gather you should know anyway so god knows where you got the reporting from. So it isn't delt with like that and yes a driver knows which board to look at and what to avoid and what he must slow for. They do not have SP boards in that bit i was on about.

Reason i put it like that is to show it isn't just a basic class 1,2,5 thing.

Also i stated the thing about Clapham Jct-Weymouth

And i wasn't sure on the Bogie thing as well why i said i just seen and heard things about. Cheers for clearing that up never quite got an answer about it.

 

[O L Leigh]

Ascot,

I think you're still overcomplicating matters. The reason that there are not SP boards on the stretch of line you mentioned is because, no matter what the Sectional Appendix suggests, there is no seperate differential limit for Sprinters. All passenger trains can proceed at up to 50mph irrespective of type. The Cl15X column is just a smokescreen.

While I obviously don't 'sign' the Far North Line, I would be surprised about there not being speed boards out there. It's one thing to expect a driver to know the speed at certain points along the line as part of his/her route knowledge, but to expect them to be able to judge where 1m 45ch is seems a bit steep. Unless such restrictions are tied to a local instruction (i.e. don't go tanking across bridges and viaducts), how is a driver to prevent overspeeding or delay if there is no way to know precisely where a speed restriction starts and finishes? Obviously I can't check the book because my Anglia Region appendix doesn't include the Far North Line.

As for reporting any that are missing, I was told that during my driver training.

one TN

 

[Juniper Driver]

Posts above are incorrect.

Top Speed applies to Class 4 6 7 8 and 9 only.
Bottom Speed applies to Class 1 2 3 5 and 0.

Can also be used with other terms such as

HST = 43 (also 373 and 220/221)
EPS = Enhanced Permitted Speed (Tilt)

Thankyou.I got my rules coming up soon.:angel13:

 

[Ascot]

I'll quote the thing instead so much easier, look in the explanation bit in any SA. Comes under General and it's a National.

Speed Restrictions

In the Scotland route sectional appendix, in accordance with previous signing practices, some speeds may not be indicated on the lineside by a speed sign. Such speeds are therefore prefixed by a small, angled dash to denote that lineside signs may not be provided.

And there is so much more than the basic "smoke screen" alot of sprinter speeds are on as a none lineside one where a none sprinter can only do say '30 where a sprinter it's '45 50 40 30/'40. I suppose WHL would be a better example.

 

[O L Leigh]

Ascot: I'm afraid that this still makes no sense to me. Please can you scan a few of the relevant pages and e-mail them to me so that I can actually see what you're referring to.

one TN

 

[Ascot]

Ascot: I'm afraid that this still makes no sense to me. Please can you scan a few of the relevant pages and e-mail them to me so that I can actually see what you're referring to.

one TN

Done, check your PM's, another on will come along with the General Notice in a few seconds.

 

[O L Leigh]

That was extremely scary. I just asked the question and even before it appears on the list, you've provided the details.

one TN

 

[Ascot]

I got fed up of trying to Convert an image to Forum Text in an easy way so sent it along so much easier. Should have another one now with contact details.

 

[1D53]

Spot on Forth Bridge 20/50 but just 20 for Wrong Directional

Tays 20/HST35 then 20/HST25

Indeed it is. Never made it back up though, all thanks to 43208 dying! and the 0710 LDS - ABD been terminated at Waverley.

 

[GeoffM]

If the differential speed does apply only for EMU's then the speed board must reflect this. A standard xx/yy board does not do this. Therefore, a class 1 charter can run at the higher speed also unless there is some reason why it cannot (e.g. maximum speed of the rolling stock or some local instruction limiting the speed of operation) no matter what sort of train it is.

one TN

Apologies, after checking with a driver on the LTS, you appear to be right. My assumption was that the scheme plan would show this correctly but does not. But then it's also the same scheme plan that is missing a major scale change plus one or two other less important bits of information.

Geoff M.

 

[Kneedown]

In addition to the above answers, the higher speed may also be taken by freightliner, and certain other specified trains.