Specific route with a higher fare

[island]

As I recall, the rules allow you to use an ANY PERMITTED ticket on any permitted route where a higher route-specific fare doesn't exist.

What if the route-specific fare is higher for some ticket types but not others? For example, Potters Bar to Stratford London, an off-peak day return is more expensive route HACKNEY WICK, while all other tickets are more expensive on route +ANY PERMITTED.

 

[tony_mac]

As I recall, the rules allow you to use an ANY PERMITTED ticket on any permitted route where a higher route-specific fare doesn't exist.

I doubt if there can be any definitive answer, as there are many inconsistencies and downright contradictions to do with this in the routeing guide.

A reasonable person might assume that 'Any Permitted' means exactly that - any of the routes that are permitted in the routeing guide.

 

[RJ]

I doubt if there can be any definitive answer, as there are many inconsistencies and downright contradictions to do with this in the routeing guide.

A reasonable person might assume that 'Any Permitted' means exactly that - any of the routes that are permitted in the routeing guide.

The highest priced ticket is valid by any permitted route.

Flows between Croydon Stations and Hemel Hempsted clusters are more expensive via Kensington Olympia than +Any Permitted. The Kensington Olympia ticket is therefore permitted via London and anyone approaching the excess window at Victoria for example should be let through the barriers.

 

[Ticket Man]

I think there's an off peak from london terminals to huddersfield routed manchester that is 30p dearer than an Sup off peak any permitted (also valid via manchester).
If you wanted to travel up the east coast with a route manchester ticket they would have to issue a zero fare for the any permitted route AFAIK.

 

[RJ]

I think there's an off peak from london terminals to huddersfield routed manchester that is 30p dearer than an Sup off peak any permitted (also valid via manchester).
If you wanted to travel up the east coast with a route manchester ticket they would have to issue a zero fare for the any permitted route AFAIK.

No, if rte Manchester is more expensive then it's valid full stop, no extra documents required. It is advised to buy the cheaper routed ticket then get an excess later (or at the same time.)

 

[hairyhandedfool]

'Rte Any Permitted' tickets are valid by the shortest route, direct trains and all mapped routes shown in the Routeing Guide. They are valid by routes not shown in the Guide for which a route specific fare exists, unless the route specific fare is higher.

 

[tony_mac]

and, in the examples....

If the “Any Permitted” fare is less than the
“Manchester” routed fare, the ticketholder may not go via Manchester.

(via Manchester is a mapped route, in that example)

The online journey planners also don't allow some any-permitted fares on a higher-priced route (although it's a minority).

 

[hairyhandedfool]

Journey Planners aren't always correct unfortunately. For example, Patricroft to Wigan has no valid routes according to NRES, but it must have atleast one valid route.

 

[island]

Patricroft is associated with Wigan Group, so the only valid route is the shortest one or a through train.

 

[hairyhandedfool]

Patricroft is associated with Wigan Group, so the only valid route is the shortest one or a through train.

Exactly, there are no direct trains, but NRES says that via Manchester, Warrington and Huyton are not valid, hence it is wrong (there is no other way to go).

 

[philjo]

How about this case?

London terminals to Church Stretton (CTT)

SSR £59 route Hereford (priced by FGW)
SVR £63 "any permitted" (priced by VT)
SVR £71 "route Hereford" (priced by FGW)

(VT don't price SSRs) I assume that the "any permitted" SVR can be used via Hereford at times when the SSR is available (as you have paid more than the SSR) - can anyone confirm this?
The East coast website will let you book seats from Paddington via Hereford using the Any permitted SVR.
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update:

Just checked for a weekday on the East coast website.
using the journey planner it will let you book seats on these services:
SSR £59 route Hereford - 1st departure shown from Paddington is 10:45
SVR £63 "any permitted" - 1st departure shown from Paddington is 09:45
SVR £71 "route Hereford" - 1st departure shown from Paddington is 08:45

so the Any permitted SVR is more flexible than the SSR is but more restricted than the SVR "route Hereford" ticket.
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To confuse the issue more the anytime fares are cheaper route Hereford than Any permitted as are off-peak singles but then it does take longer that way.

 

[island]

I assume that the "any permitted" SVR can be used via Hereford at times when the SSR is available (as you have paid more than the SSR) - can anyone confirm this?

I would get a zero fare excess from a booking office before trying this.