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"Special mode" on GWR IETs

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I understand that this is used when there is a risk of waves or spraying coming over the train / running lines especially around Dawlish. I was also told there is only a limited use of this available.

Can anyone explain what is involved and how it works please?
 
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It can be used on specified days, when the weather and rides are expected to create large swells at Dawlish.

Special mode is enabled by the driver via the TMS, and this is done prior to entering the Dawlish area.

Once enabled it allows multiple attempts at restarting an engine (in normal circumstances I think after 2 attempts an engine locks itself out of use), whereas with special mode you get something like 10 attempts to restart any given engine that may have succumbed to Dawlish waves.
 

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Can be used on specified days when the weather and rides are expected to create large swells at Dawlish. Special mode is enabled by the driver via the TMS and this is done prior to entering the Dawlish area. Once enabled it allows multiple attempts at restarting an engine (in normal circumstances I think after 2 attempts an engine locks itself out of use) , whereas with special mode you get something like 10 attempts to restart any given engine that may have succumbed to Dawlish waves.
Thank you for the explanation, that’s about the same as what I was led to believe.
 

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I wonder how often this is now needed now the sea wall has been raised and the rebuilt wall top has recurved wave deflectors to reduce overtopping
 

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I wonder how often this is now needed now the sea wall has been raised and the rebuilt wall top has recurved wave deflectors to reduce overtopping
It still happens, regardless of the deflectors if you’re going to deflect a wave it’ll only end up crashing into the next one behind it. Plus the force of the waves and spray still can affect it!
 

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I wonder how often this is now needed now the sea wall has been raised and the rebuilt wall top has recurved wave deflectors to reduce overtopping
Anecdotally speaking, you are looking at maybe once every couple of months (less in summer). Raising the wall certainly hasn't eliminated the problem.
 

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“Special mode” makes no difference, as has been proven with numerous stranded IETs over the last couple of years.
 

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“Special mode” makes no difference, as has been proven with numerous stranded IETs over the last couple of years.
That's often been because it wasn't enabled in the first place. It is certainly better than nothing, though far from a complete game changer, for now it's the best we've got!
 

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I see some of these faults continue to manifest themselves at sporadic moments. I was travelling back on 800310 last night which seemed to be losing some time through Cornwall, remained behind schedule in Devon then failed just past Taunton requiring a reset delaying us further.
 

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I see some of these faults continue to manifest themselves at sporadic moments. I was travelling back on 800310 last night which seemed to be losing some time through Cornwall, remained behind schedule in Devon then failed just past Taunton requiring a reset delaying us further.

I don't think I've been on a GWR service in the past few years that didn't lose at least 10 minutes over the Devon banks. There must be a lot of units down a generator unit.

In particular, I have never made the connection from the 1103 off Paddington onto the Penzance service at Plymouth and I have tried several times, you always end up on the following Plymouth starter.
 

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I don't think I've been on a GWR service in the past few years that didn't lose at least 10 minutes over the Devon banks. There must be a lot of units down a generator unit. In particular I have never made the connection from the 1103 off Paddington onto the Penzance service at Plymouth and I have tried several times, you always end up on the following Plymouth starter.
I've read that across 75 IET units available there are around 103 engines isolated
 

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I've read that across 75 IET units available there are around 103 engines isolated
Correct. It is extremely unusual to touch an IET without one or two engines out of use due to the ongoing issue with fauling fuel pumps. The issue seems to be worse than ever right now.
 

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I've read that across 75 IET units available there are around 103 engines isolated
I have heard that faulty fuel pumps are the cause, and because need to remove equipment to get to them, can only replace max of 3 per night.

So even if they fix 3 every night 7 days a week, it will be be start of Christmas week before all done (and that's assuming no others break down in meantime).

Not good timing when need to accelerate faster to compensate for more defensive braking during leaf fall.
 

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And also presumes the replacement pumps will last longer than the previous ones fitted at the last engine overhaul. As well as dropping the GU to replace the pump, the fuel also has to be cleaned for removal of any pump debris.

Special mode isn’t anything to do with this, however.
 

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I don't think I've been on a GWR service in the past few years that didn't lose at least 10 minutes over the Devon banks. There must be a lot of units down a generator unit.

In particular, I have never made the connection from the 1103 off Paddington onto the Penzance service at Plymouth and I have tried several times, you always end up on the following Plymouth starter.
Was on the 0637 from Plymouth-Pad a few months ago that lost one engine on the climb up Hemerdon, and then a 2nd just before Totnes, was cancelled at Exeter but we lost ~25 minutes in that time
 

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Was on the 0637 from Plymouth-Pad a few months ago that lost one engine on the climb up Hemerdon, and then a 2nd just before Totnes, was cancelled at Exeter but we lost ~25 minutes in that time
2 engines out wouldn't lead to 25 minutes time lost. I'd say there where other factors at play, possibly a third engine out too. With two engines out, you are losing maybe 4 or 5 minutes between Plymouth and Exeter tops. You'd be surprised at how many 9 cars are currently running about with 2 engines out, it's probably at least half the fleet right now.
 

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2 engines out wouldn't lead to 25 minutes time lost. I'd say there where other factors at play, possibly a third engine out too. With two engines out, you are losing maybe 4 or 5 minutes between Plymouth and Exeter tops. You'd be surprised at how many 9 cars are currently running about with 2 engines out, it's probably at least half the fleet right now.
There was definitely more at play as at one point we came to a complete stop on the approach to Totnes from what I remember (was oct24th last year), but 2 engines was what they told us over the intercom
 

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2 engines out wouldn't lead to 25 minutes time lost. I'd say there where other factors at play, possibly a third engine out too. With two engines out, you are losing maybe 4 or 5 minutes between Plymouth and Exeter tops. You'd be surprised at how many 9 cars are currently running about with 2 engines out, it's probably at least half the fleet right now.
Yesterday I was on the 17:03 PAD-PNZ, which was cancelled at Exeter as only 2/5 engines were working (fortunately I was getting off at Taunton). The guard didn't say this specifically, but I'm almost certain this was because 2 engines cannot provide enough power on the Devon Banks. That said, for some reason the unit was allowed to run empty to Laira instead of an easier to access depot like Stoke Gifford (and lose over 10 minutes climbing the banks, delaying the relief service that took its place):

 
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Yesterday I was on the 17:03 PAD-PNZ, which was cancelled at Exeter as only 2/5 engines were working (fortunately I was getting off at Taunton). The guard didn't say this specifically, but I'm almost certain this was because 2 engines cannot provide enough power on the Devon Banks. That said, for some reason the unit was allowed to run empty to Laira instead of an easier to access depot like Stoke Gifford (and lose over 10 minutes climbing the banks, delaying the relief service that took its place):

Presumably as 1703 is a Plymouth driver throughout, getting it to Laira was seen as an easier option than trying to source a driver from somewhere to get it to Stoke Gifford. Running ECS, there is a little less strain on the train as no weight of passengers and can get a clear run up Rattery bank without needing to call at Totnes. We have been told if the train has less than 50 percent power we are completely within our rights to fail it.
 
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