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Picture this, a guy is kicking off because he’s just been given a penalty Fair and ends up assaulting the guard or another passenger.
It turns out the guard is a special Constance (with BTP or any other force)
Would the guard arrest the suspect for assault or call the police to deal with it?
 
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Picture this, a guy is kicking off because he’s just been given a penalty Fair and ends up assaulting the guard or another passenger.
It turns out the guard is a special Constance (with BTP or any other force)
Would the guard arrest the suspect for assault or call the police to deal with it?

The guard could perform a citizens arrest the same as anybody else can, basically just detain the alleged attacker until the police arrive.

*I don't think guards normally issue penalty fares?
 

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The guard could perform a citizens arrest the same as anybody else can, basically just detain the alleged attacker until the police arrive.

*I don't think guards normally issue penalty fares?
Special constables have exactly the same powers as a full time officer.

How those powers are exercised is a matter for the individual force.
 

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I suspect that if the guard were to arrest the person, he would have to accompany him to the police station, which might prove problematic for the train that he is guarding.
 

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I used to be a revenue inspector for Merseytravel and a Special. I never mixed the two together and in 5 years only identified myself as a police officer once at a car crash. There's a couple of reasons for this... In the police I carried a radio with several hundred people behind it and available to help me in a matter of minutes. I wore an instantly recognisable uniform, had equipment and powers that generally everyone knows about.
As a revenue inspector, I had a phone, a uniform and powers that generally most people don't know about, but can guess (chucking people off, charging extra etc). I always carried my warrant card but that was more about knowing where it was than flashing it about. If I ever had any situations requiring police powers, I called the police. I would then identify myself to the police so that they knew I could do a statement etc if required.
In the case above the guard requests assistance by whatever way is appropriate. They may attempt to detain the person but even that is fraught with danger as they wont be wearing body armour, have handcuffs etc. And, as stated, as there has been a crime this could be a 'citizens arrest' - I found on a few occasions that other passengers will often help as well.
My advice to anyone joining was always to only identify yourself in these sorts of situations if you have already phoned 999 as any escalation of the situation may mean that you are unable to ring them after you have done it. These days too many people carry knives, screwdrivers, needles etc to take that chance.
 

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I suspect that if the guard were to arrest the person, he would have to accompany him to the police station, which might prove problematic for the train that he is guarding.
As far as I can remember, there's no need for an arresting officer to accompany a prsioner to process them (although it makes it easier). For example, if I were to arrest someone and then they kicked off and I had to go to hospital instead, someone else would take them in.
 

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I suspect that if the guard were to arrest the person, he would have to accompany him to the police station, which might prove problematic for the train that he is guarding.
No he would not. He would relay the details of the arrest to the escorting officer who would then escort the detained person to the Police station.
 
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