batman1056
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Hi - new to this forum so I thought I would get some thoughts on SPADs
If a train/RRV passed a signal when in engineering works - this is not reportable to ORR (RIDDOR guidance) - but from what I have been told this is reportable to RAIB. Anybody know any different?
For the RAIB, the requirements for industry to report accidents and incidents to us are described in schedules to The Railways (Accident Investigation and Reporting) Regulations 2005. Schedule 3(5) states notification is needed in the following circumstances:
‘Rolling stock passing a railway signal displaying a stop aspect, unless either the driver had been given authority to pass the signal or the signal did not display in sufficient time to enable the driver to stop safely at the signal.’
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However, specific railway rule book governing operations your railway might define circumstances under which signals in possessions need to be obeyed by drivers, or may positively state that all signals in possessions can be ignored by drivers. In that case, the situation a signal being passed may not need to be reported.
To summarise, if the driver should have stopped at the red signal, but didn’t, it is reportable as a SPAD, irrespective of its location, when or where it occured.
Not sure if anyone had any thoughts on this as i thought it had to occur on the operational railway (as outside of this is in essence engineering works with the site being off the running line).
If a train/RRV passed a signal when in engineering works - this is not reportable to ORR (RIDDOR guidance) - but from what I have been told this is reportable to RAIB. Anybody know any different?
For the RAIB, the requirements for industry to report accidents and incidents to us are described in schedules to The Railways (Accident Investigation and Reporting) Regulations 2005. Schedule 3(5) states notification is needed in the following circumstances:
‘Rolling stock passing a railway signal displaying a stop aspect, unless either the driver had been given authority to pass the signal or the signal did not display in sufficient time to enable the driver to stop safely at the signal.’
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The text makes no distinction in relation to the location (operational railway, railway under possession or in the control of the engineers, etc). On some railways, there are circumstances under which drivers may be required to obey stop signals within a possession/engineering works. If that is the case, and the signal/RFL has been passed without authority, RAIB would require notification of that incident. One example relates to signal-protected level crossings, where there may be a requirement for the driver to obey the signal and then receive supplementary instructions from a crossing attendant even though the line is under possession.
However, specific railway rule book governing operations your railway might define circumstances under which signals in possessions need to be obeyed by drivers, or may positively state that all signals in possessions can be ignored by drivers. In that case, the situation a signal being passed may not need to be reported.
To summarise, if the driver should have stopped at the red signal, but didn’t, it is reportable as a SPAD, irrespective of its location, when or where it occured.
Not sure if anyone had any thoughts on this as i thought it had to occur on the operational railway (as outside of this is in essence engineering works with the site being off the running line).
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