Southern train cancelled as first class passengers throw hot coffee at each other

[sarahj]

Interesting that one about first class, took a train from Clacton to London last year, guard puts me and family in first class which incidentally are the exact same seats as TPE's standard class so for someone out of the area I couldn't tell what the difference was either!

Well ours has white headrest covers, lots of first class signs, some have power sockets, some even have a sliding door. Not worth the £47 he paid, but thats his money, so not my call. If you stay seated there, that's what you pay (and he did nave no ticket at all, so not even an upgrade).

 

[spangles]

Perhaps he flies regularly but first time on the train. On a plane a first class ticket would most likely have a dedicated toilet in the same section and plane toilets do seem a lot more reliable than on trains.

First class flights also cost £1000s

 

[gimmea50anyday]

Not worth the £47 he paid, but thats his money, so not my call.

Makes our sales figures look good tho....

"Yarm to London Terminals First Open Return? Don't mind if I do thank you very much! Can I offer you a travel card within that? £440.20"

Kerching! It's not often we get them but we relish them when we do!

 

[Xenophon PCDGS]

Not to excuse behaviour of this nature, whatever the class of travel, but if the present circumstances persist and we have a long, hot summer, I should think it's inevitable that more tempers will fray.

If this incident had occurred in a restaurant or café on the high street and the police had been called by the manager, what would the offence be noted as by them?

 

[IKB]

If this incident had occurred in a restaurant or café on the high street and the police had been called by the manager, what would the offence be noted as by them?

Well, if you throw liquid over someone it's a common assault, regardless of where it takes place....

From the point of view of a restaurant owner, if you have two warring customers it depends on how aggressive/heated they are being. Depending on severity it could be a public order offence, breach of the peace etc. In any case, once permission is removed for you to remain on the premises, you become a trespasser (civil) and the police might assist the owner with your removal....

 

[swj99]

Perhaps he flies regularly but first time on the train. On a plane a first class ticket would most likely have a dedicated toilet in the same section and plane toilets do seem a lot more reliable than on trains.

Maybe he wanted it on a tray with a pot of tea as well.

If this incident had occurred in a restaurant or café on the high street and the police had been called by the manager, what would the offence be noted as by them?

Possible criminal damage too.

British Transport Police have confirmed that they attended the incident, but say no arrests were made.

Funnily enough, Miriam Margolyes poured a drink over someone on a railway station and she wasn't pinched by the peelers either.

http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/201...s-station-seat-young-man-water_n_9251864.html

 

[johnnychips]

When somebody punched our deputy head at our school a few years ago, he was asked by the police, "Did it hurt?" He said it did, and that then moved the charge up to ABH from assault. Not sure what constitutes GBH - maybe a long-term injury?

 

[IKB]

When somebody punched our deputy head at our school a few years ago, he was asked by the police, "Did it hurt?" He said it did, and that then moved the charge up to ABH from assault. Not sure what constitutes GBH - maybe a long-term injury?

Whether it "hurt" or not wouldn't make any difference.

A common assault/battery would be a minor assault without any visible injury - e.g. pushing and shoving, pouring a drink over someone (provided it doesn't cause burns) etc.
ABH is something visible but not too serious - e.g. superficial cuts, black eyes, broken nose, loss of consciousness.
GBH is more along the lines of serious injury - e.g. broken bones such as legs arms, injuries causing disfigurement, open wounds causing a break in the continuity of the skin etc. There are two types of GBH (S.18 and S.20) but not really worth going into the ins and outs here. Google is your friend!

There are lots of grey areas and a world of difference between the police recording standards and the CPS charging standards - e.g. any visible injury, such as a reddening to the skin or a bruise, is technically an ABH and would be recorded by the police as so. For charging however, it would most likely be charged as common assault. Can of worms!

Funnily enough, Miriam Margolyes poured a drink over someone on a railway station and she wasn't pinched by the peelers either.

Unsurprising and totally routine if the complainant/victim doesn't wish to substantiate an allegation and make a statement.

 

[Class 170101]

In the 1970s, having moved to Sittingbourne from London to afford to buy a house, I caught my first peak train to London, arriving at the station about twenty minutes before it was due. I chose a random spot on the platform, to discover I was soon joined on an otherwise-deserted platform by a woman who stood so close I could almost tell what she'd had for breakfast, and a short time after that by two or three others who obviously knew each other. Of course, unbeknown to me, I had chosen the precise spot where a carriage door would stop, so I was first on to the train and, it soon became clear, occupied a seat which one of 'them' regarded as reserved for them. This repeated itself every day thereafter, though I never got to be the first on the train again.

I'm not surprised by this statement. In the short time I did commuting I used to catch one of two trains in the morning and similar in the evening. The same people sat in the same places just like clockwork. All hell broke loose when the trains were cancelled.