They as of September 2022 (really trying to keep relevancy!
) only use 4 coaches still.
www.railwaydata.co.uk
Frankly there is no point in extending the platforms in any scenario. Usually a big fat lump of money down the drain while trains are working fine enough with SDO
Seeen this evening 8 coaches from Reigate to Victoria of course no Three Bridges Portion. Can't verify it for sure but I was in the area at that time.
Since 8 cars can’t actually terminate at Reigate I would assume the other 4 that were mean to start at Three Bridges probably got curtailed to Redhill and the train joined up from there.
Can't have done as it wasn't a morning service and Reigate & Three Bridges from Victoria are only in the evenings.
I would love a new thread but I don’t know many other examples to include there.Can't have done as it wasn't a morning service and Reigate & Three Bridges from Victoria are only in the evenings.
This is off topic but I'll create a new thread elsewhere if you would like unless you would like to do it?
Never been on it but I could imagine it being a popular service as it goes to both termini. That being said those services are 8/10 car and do even out some of the weight on the WCY and BKJ services.
Just four coaches from Reigate on the 1811 from Redhill to London Victoria. The other four come empty from Gatwick, having worked the Gatwick portion of the southbound 1638 Victoria to Reigate / Gatwick splitter.
What did it form after reaching Victoria?
Platform 15 at Clapham Junction is 10 coaches only, the extension built lengthened it from 8 to 10 coaches. At present anything longer than 9 coaches can only stop if coming from the Down Slow, as anything longer will block the crossover which is very close to the London end of the platform. This however gets sorted at the re-signalling over Christmas when the crossover is being moved towards London.
Yes, they may be running as 12, but that doesn't mean they are booked to be - which as I said they are not.
Oopsie my mistake.
10 car planned limit still applies to Metro workings, this has not changed since the withdrawal of the 455s.
Here are the highest average loading figures, their respective locations and train lengths for today and yesterday
| Train ID | Thursday | Friday |
| 2F03 | 55% at Wandsworth Common (8 coaches) | 51% at Wandsworth Common (8 coaches) |
| 2F05 | 72% at Wandsworth Common (8 coaches) | 53% at Wandsworth Common (8 coaches) |
| 2F07 | 67% at Wandsworth Common (10 coaches) | 48% at Wandsworth Common (10 coaches) |
| 2F08 | 36% at New Cross Gate (10 coaches) | 23% at Brockley (10 coaches) |
| 2F09 | 52% at Wandsworth Common (10 coaches) | 42% at Wandsworth Common (10 coaches) |
| 2F10 | 59% at New Cross Gate (10 coaches) | 36% at New Cross Gate (10 coaches) |
| 2F11 | 42% at Clapham Junction (10 coaches) | 33% at Wandsworth Common (10 coaches) |
| 2F12 | 86% at New Cross Gate (10 coaches) | 39% at Brockley (10 coaches) |
| 2F14 | 70% at New Cross Gate (10 coaches) | 29% at New Cross Gate (10 coaches) |
| 2F16 | 25% at New Cross Gate (10 coaches) | 21% at New Cross Gate (10 coaches) |
| Train ID | Thursday | Friday |
| 2F43 | 29% at NXG and Wandsworth Common | 27% at Wandsworth Common |
| 2F45 | 24% at Wandsworth Common | 30% at Wandsworth Common |
| 2F47 | 48% at London Bridge | 33% at London Bridge |
| 2F48 | 29% at Balham | 30% at Clapham Junction |
| 2F49 | 53% at London Bridge | 32% at London Bridge |
| 2F50 | 47% at Balham | 33% at Clapham Junction |
| 2F51 | 57% at London Bridge | 30% at Wandsworth Common |
| 2F52 | 39% at Clapham Junction | 32% at Balham |
| 2F53 | 35% at London Bridge | 21% at London Bridge |
| 2F54 | 47% at Clapham Junction | 29% at Clapham Junction |
| 2F56 | 35% at Clapham Junction (8 coaches) | 27% at CLJ and Balham (8 coaches) |
If actually true, that could cause havoc today. On a normal day that would probably be fine, but because Victoria is closed, the services are running all stops via Streatham.
Not sure if it will be too much of a problem, are the trains that terminating at Selhurst today shunting at the depot or not? Otherwise yes this would cause huge chaos.
Thanks, most interesting.
They’re splitting 4 and 8, with 4 going to Caterham and 8 going to Tattenham.
Honestly I’m not really sure. I think Southern are giving them a go just to see how they run, so you could possibly see longer trains in December.
I think this is a data error caused by an issue with the attachment on 2J26, which by the looks of it then had a unit swap. The log seems to suggest 2J39 ran 8 377 and not 12 377 as your screenshot shows. Beckenham can't run with more than 8 cars anyway due to the platform length, you'd be well ahead of the signal when departing.
We will not know if the 12 car was real or not unless someone actually physically saw it. Therefore I will remain neutral in the existence of this service. Southern's departure tool generally is rather reliable and with accurate data apart from that one 16 coach at Norwood!
I was actually there on yesterday when VIC-EPD trains in the evening ran as 12 coaches. We can’t confirm the other services because no one that we know of has seen it in person but it would hardly be a co-incidence, it even showed that the rear 8 go to Tattenham which would not have happened under a simple data error.
Ah alright thank you.
September to December is only 3 months but I believe the next one is in May 2023 (a whole 6 months) so I think it will be balanced out.
It depends, as the trains were not booked 12 car it's totally possible rear 8 could end up for Tattenham in an input error. Control are using a new system which came in earlier this year, so suspect they're still getting used to it.
