Southern Peak

[NW27]

I've seen a photo online of a green split-headcode peak with a train of maroon coaches, taken c1966. The suggested location is Deepcut, and the first three digits of the headcode are 1N4.
Is anyone able to identify the train in the relevant WTT. plèase?

 

[Magdalia]

The train is likely to be from Poole or Bournemouth and going to Leeds or Bradford, and the year 1966, 1967 or 1968.

They don't appear in 1966 working timetables as they were rerouted after the working timetables were issued and hence only appear in supplements.

I can't find a suitable 1N4x so the loco may not be displaying the correct headcode.

 

[MCR247]

Wouldn’t it be more likely the headcode would be 1Oxx? I thought that was how the ex southern region did headcodes for out of region services but I could be wrong

 

[NW27]

Wouldn’t it be more likely the headcode would be 1Oxx? I thought that was how the ex southern region did headcodes for out of region services but I could be wrong

Inter-regional headcodes for trains terminating on each Region were:
E - Eastern
M - London Midland
N - North Eastern (not used after merger with Eastern)
O - Southern
S - Scotland
V - Western

 

[Bevan Price]

Wouldn’t it be more likely the headcode would be 1Oxx? I thought that was how the ex southern region did headcodes for out of region services but I could be wrong

1Oxx was for trains heading to the Southern Region.
1Nxx was for trains heading to the North Eastern Region (at that time including Newcastle, York, Leeds & Bradford)

 

[MCR247]

Inter-regional headcodes for trains terminating on each Region were:
E - Eastern
M - London Midland
N - North Eastern (not used after merger with Eastern)
O - Southern
S - Scotland
V - Western

1Oxx was for trains heading to the Southern Region.
1Nxx was for trains heading to the North Eastern Region (at that time including Newcastle, York, Leeds & Bradford)

Ah I see my mistake!

 

[Shaw S Hunter]

I've seen a photo online of a green split-headcode peak with a train of maroon coaches, taken c1966. The suggested location is Deepcut, and the first three digits of the headcode are 1N4.
Is anyone able to identify the train in the relevant WTT. plèase?

Slightly OT but any chance of a link? A Peak on that route would have been decidedly unusual throughout the type's history.

 

[Big Jumby 74]

Slightly OT

Ditto, but given the thread title, I think I might be excused! Attached the subject of an extended lunch break from the General offices one day nearly four decades ......ago ! The reason was a rededication of the Regimental name, "5th Royal Inniskilling Dragoon Guards".

 

[Gloster]

Somewhen around 1975 I was in Poole on a Saturday and I saw a Peak coming in from the east. I would guess that it was the train that in 1975 got in at 15.13 from Newcastle or its equivalent.

In summer 1966 there was a 10.30 from Poole to York via the Great Central on a weekday (10.54 to Newcastle on Summer Saturdays). A Peak would be a bit unusual on a GC, so perhaps it was from a year or so later when a train ran via the Midland as I have read somewhere that it took a while to allocate all the new headcodes.

 

[CW2]

In the late 60s there was a Fridays Only summer dated overnight service from Yorkshire (?) to the south coast (Weymouth maybe?) that was worked by a Peak. It would return light engine to the London area via Basingstoke and Woking. Can anybody pin down any better info on origin/destination and dates?

 

[Siemens Staines]

I do not know how unusual this was, but Peaks did work via Deepcut in the mid 1960s as evidenced by this photo at Fleet on the last day of Southern steam in 1967

Trslid281 D154 Fleet

Last one for today and we are going to end with a Peak on the Southern again. The date is Saturday the 8th of July 1967 and location is Fleet. I have no idea as to the workings of Cross Country trains in this area at this time, but class 46 D154 is on the up fast line working the 1E55 Portsmouth...

www.flickr.com

It has the headcode 1E55 so it is not the same train, or possibly just not the same timetable period, as referred to by the OP

 

[Shaw S Hunter]

I do not know how unusual this was, but Peaks did work via Deepcut in the mid 1960s as evidenced by this photo at Fleet on the last day of Southern steam in 1967

Trslid281 D154 Fleet

Last one for today and we are going to end with a Peak on the Southern again. The date is Saturday the 8th of July 1967 and location is Fleet. I have no idea as to the workings of Cross Country trains in this area at this time, but class 46 D154 is on the up fast line working the 1E55 Portsmouth...

www.flickr.com

It has the headcode 1E55 so it is not the same train, or possibly just not the same timetable period, as referred to by the OP

Small error in the Flickr caption: although the destination of Sheffield was in the Eastern Region it would almost certainly have got there via the Midland Main Line.

 

[Magdalia]

In summer 1966 there was a 10.30 from Poole to York via the Great Central on a weekday (10.54 to Newcastle on Summer Saturdays). A Peak would be a bit unusual on a GC, so perhaps it was from a year or so later when a train ran via the Midland as I have read somewhere that it took a while to allocate all the new headcodes.

The Great Central closed in September 1966. The Poole-York and vice versa were daily trains that ran via the Great Central until closure, going via Banbury, Reading West Curve and Basingstoke. After the Great Central closed they were diverted to run via Birmingham. They didn't work on the LSWR main line north of Basingstoke.

There were also four Great Central summer Saturday services in each direction that had their last summer on the Great Central in 1964. These were the Sheffield-Portsmouth, Leeds-Bournemouth, Sheffield-Bournemouth and Bradford-Poole, the first 2 of these running southbound overnight.

In 1965 these were diverted off the Great Central, the Sheffield-Bournemouth to reach Oxford via Worcester, the others to reach Oxford via Market Harborough and Bletchley. Working timetables show the Market Harborough and Bletchley route also being used in 1966 but that didn't happen. Instead the trains ran up the Midland Main Line to Brent then via Kew to reach the LSWR main line north of Woking.

The 2 overnight trains worked through onto the Southern Region with Peaks with (I think) loco changes at Basingstoke. There are a few photos of the northbound return workings on the LSWR main line between Basingstoke and Woking.

It has the headcode 1E55 so it is not the same train, or possibly just not the same timetable period, as referred to by the OP

1E55 was the Portsmouth-Sheffield.

Inter-regional headcodes for trains terminating on each Region were:
E - Eastern
M - London Midland
N - North Eastern (not used after merger with Eastern)
O - Southern
S - Scotland
V - Western

The Eastern and North Eastern Regions merged in 1967, but the comprehensive changes to headcodes only happened in May 1969. Up to 1968 trains heading for old North Eastern region destinations still had N headcodes.

In the 1966 Working Timetables the Bournemouth-Leeds and Bournemouth-Bradford trains still used the 1N72 and 1N63 headcodes left over from their Great Central days. I don't have any working timetables that show whether those headcodes were retained in 1967 and 1968.

 

[Harvester]

In the 1966 Working Timetables the Bournemouth-Leeds and Bournemouth-Bradford trains still used the 1N72 and 1N63 headcodes left over from their Great Central days.

1N72 08:55 Bournemouth West-Leeds more remembered for it’s motive power on Saturday 15th August 1964, when Grange 6858 trekked north from Oxford to Huddersfield with the train. The loco was out of gauge after leaving the GC and was taken off with cylinder damage, after scraping the platform edge at Denby Dale.