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Southern Misinformation System

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Chrisgr31

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I dont know what Southern have done to their information systems all they seem to do is change the system to make it even worse.

They used to have a system which appeared fairly reliable until there was a serious fault on the network. It could cope with incidents that affected single lines, but not one which affected all lines. However it could give early warnings of short trains, and except in the worst cases worked really well.

The last 2 changes which apparently are to ensure they are taking the same information as available on the Network Rail live train tracker have just meant that the information Southern can and are putting out is just total garbage, and invariably they can no longer warn of short trains.

Take this morning, the Southern Twitter feed is warning of electrical supply problems affecting the Uckfield and East Grinstead lines and that tickets are being accepted on South Eastern etc. So get wife and child out of bed to drive me to Crowborough station to see whats happening. et to Crowborough and station office shut, few people milling around and the customer information system helpfully shows the 7.20 train to London Bridge as "Delayed" with a note electrical supply problems are causing delays etc.

So get wife to drive me to Tunbridge Wells and whilst on the train up to London from their I check live train tracker to see the 7.20 from Crowborough left a whjole 2 minutes late. Thats not a delay.

The same thing happened 2 weeks ago in the snow, Southerns twitter feed was reporting the line was closed, and at the station the Customer Information System gave trains as Delayed, but both the 7.20 and 7.45 ran on time. The latter appeared on the display about 2 minutes before it arrived at the station. Having seen it going down to Uckfield I knew it was around hence being at the station in the first place.

So why cant railway companies get an information system that actually works? It must be the biggest irritant for passengers. Passengers know that their can be issues, defects, accidents, suicides etc that cause delays, but its the lack of accurate information that really annoys passengers.

The one benefit of this morning was that I was able to get the 7.20 from Tunbridge Wells so actually got me in earlier than the 7.20 from Crowborough. It also reminded why I dont pay the extra £1,500 to travel from there. I prefer the comfort of the Class 1713, which make it a lot easier to sleep!
 
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So why cant railway companies get an information system that actually works? It must be the biggest irritant for passengers.

It is a major irritant for passengers, probably the biggest. The current automated system needs serious improvement when the whole job falls to pieces. Personally, when there's serious disruption, I'd like the thing turned off, and replaced by a human (the facility exists for this already I'm told!) who can provide relevant information rather than a whole load of noise pollution!
 

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The old Journey Check system used has been scrapped by Southern and apparently it will be replaced by something similar later in the year.
 

ert47

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Lucky the system shows some information during bad weather! For some reason Norwood Junctions CIS now don't work in bad weather :s
 

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Don't change Southern Passenger Information System as still uses Phil and Celia! (thank God) also has the most amazing chime for fast trains passing through :)
 

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It is a major irritant for passengers, probably the biggest. The current automated system needs serious improvement when the whole job falls to pieces. Personally, when there's serious disruption, I'd like the thing turned off, and replaced by a human (the facility exists for this already I'm told!) who can provide relevant information rather than a whole load of noise pollution!

We actually used to do this at my old station, we were always phoning control and asking them to switch off the PIS screens during disruption, most of the time being ignored. We ended up tripping the fuse switches in the end and gave out infomation face to face as and when we got it.
 

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There are reasons, but I'm unable to discuss them in a public forum.

Yesterday the issues on your line was a bridge bash. Electrical issues was at Brighton as a 313 went bang.
 

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It is a major irritant for passengers, probably the biggest. The current automated system needs serious improvement when the whole job falls to pieces. Personally, when there's serious disruption, I'd like the thing turned off, and replaced by a human (the facility exists for this already I'm told!) who can provide relevant information rather than a whole load of noise pollution!

I tend to find that human information is no more reliable than automated in a chaotic situation due to a lack of information generally but that is not just a railway thing. As the situation changes so quickly it's not always easy to have everything updated with the most up to date information. No automated or human system is ever going to be perfect as the nature of travel is real time.

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I know, whilst some people snap as soon as there's a problem, many are more understanding - especially if they're informed of what's happening.

A lot of TOCs seem to have problems with this - I'm signed up to receive e-mails about disruptions with EC. When the wires last went down the first e-mail I got was on the 3rd day of disruption. EC were suggesting people travelled from Euston and St Pancakes where possible - but it'd cause people less disruption and save staff on the ground having to explain options to people who could have already been informed and not just turned up at the station.

There are reasons, but I'm unable to discuss them in a public forum.

That's a shame. People can be a bit more sympathetic if they know what the issues are in providing information.
 

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the customer information system helpfully shows the 7.20 train to London Bridge as "Delayed" with a note electrical supply problems are causing delays etc.

So get wife to drive me to Tunbridge Wells and whilst on the train up to London from their I check live train tracker to see the 7.20 from Crowborough left a whjole 2 minutes late. Thats not a delay.

"Delayed" usually means that there is an ongoing problem affecting the service and they don't know what time it will run. It's been mentioned that the problem affecting your service as a bridge strike, so it's possible that when you checked the information screens the bridge was still being inspected, but by the time the train was approaching the bridge it had been cleared for use. There will of course be some delay from the engineer clearing the bridge and that information making it to the screens, and southern should do everything they can to minimise that delay.
 

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"Delayed" usually means that there is an ongoing problem affecting the service and they don't know what time it will run. It's been mentioned that the problem affecting your service as a bridge strike, so it's possible that when you checked the information screens the bridge was still being inspected, but by the time the train was approaching the bridge it had been cleared for use. There will of course be some delay from the engineer clearing the bridge and that information making it to the screens, and southern should do everything they can to minimise that delay.

Ahhh the bridge bash was indeed yesterday (Thursday), but my original post was made on Monday :D

Whilst I accept it might say delayed when they don't know when it will arrive the reality is they should have known when it was going to arrive on both occasions. After all its a diesel train travelling from Uckfield to Crowborough, journey time of around 15 minutes. If the problem is north of Crowborough then they should be fairly certain that once the train leaves Uckfield it will arrive at Crowborough 15 minutes later. In both cases some passengers kenw where the train was, but Southern appeared not to.

As regards the bridge bash the Southern website was reporting that the 11.45 was going to be delayed 10 minutes at Crowborough. Rather unfortunately for me it left ontime and hence I had another day travelling from Tunbridge Wells.
 
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