Southeastern Refurbished Class 375

[387star]

Dont think much has been done inside according to another forum just new carpets and lino and repainted rails and side panels etc into light grey and blue

 

[Class377/5]

That includes colour blindness too...

Indeed. One of my friends is colour blind and I never realised it until he told me one day.

Maybe he doesn't realise that the yellow stripe is there so that he won't think it looks nice and get caught with standard class tickets, and the maroon is so that he doesn't jump into the space and then get offended by the sight of wheelchair user(s).

 

[cjmillsnun]

Like that a lot. Especially love how First and the Accessible point are made clear.

 

[hulabaloo]

Blimey, much nicer than I thought it was going to be. Now torch all the 465s and I'll be a happy man.

 

[Fincra5]

At first I thought the BILs had been painted light blue... then I realised they are probably just covers

It looks smart IMO.

 

[Blindtraveler]

Blimey, much nicer than I thought it was going to be. Now torch all the 465s and I'll be a happy man.

I'll personally be very sad when the Networkers become beer cans, but agree they are not at there best just now! A decent refurb with new seats, DDA bogs and a general sprucing up of all the rough bits, vandal dammage etc wouldnt do any harm.

 

[hulabaloo]

I'll personally be very sad when the Networkers become beer cans, but agree they are not at there best just now! A decent refurb with new seats, DDA bogs and a general sprucing up of all the rough bits, vandal dammage etc wouldnt do any harm.

I do agree, they are horrible dirty trains these days and not very nice to travel on.

I would like to see most of them handed over to TfL with some kept and refurbished with carpets, 2x2 seating and tables and used as support for longer distance journeys. Could they be regeared for 90mph running too? Do they differ from 365s that much?

 

[TransportHub]

I would like to see most of them handed over to TfL with some kept and refurbished with carpets, 2x2 seating and tables and used as support for longer distance journeys. Could they be regeared for 90mph running too? Do they differ from 365s that much?

Yes it would be good for London Overground to come to south east London. The transport here is so poor when compared to the rest of the capital.

 

[Wolfie]

More overkill im afraid. The wheelchair and first class sections should be more discreet but noticeable rather than "look at me".

WOnder why the lilac has become light blue.?

Obviously written by someone with zero experience of the issues which people with visual impairment have. Aesthetics are all, forget their needs.....

 

[MCR247]

Like when GNER had to paint the doors red. I don't think some enthusiasts ever forgave them

 

[Wolfie]

Ha ha, you can get off your soap box now. Its just my opinion. Is it ok to have my own opinion without being talked-down too, as you tend to do to other posters on here from time to time... who don't agree with yours?

Get over yourself, at no point have i tried to insult or degrade "people less fortunately than myself".

I was being over dramatic, yes, but just to prove a point.

I once again state that i am a rail enthusiast who wants to see sleek liveries on our trains unspoilt by over-the-top visual distractions....... advertising liveries are another one.

Im only stating what I'D LIKE there to be, not what there has to be or what the regulations are as i am not qualified and i am not poorly sighted. OK?

I'm all right Jack.... thankfully decision makers are rather more enlightened than you...
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It says it all really. Not worth replying to such a disgustingly selfish person. And yes I do find such behaviour disgusting.

As someone who had a father suffer from the after effects of undiagnosed glaucoma I fully agree.

 

[Retorus]

It says it all really. Not worth replying to such a disgustingly selfish person. And yes I do find such behaviour disgusting.

I think you may be overreacting just a tad.

 

[TheNewNo2]

As for the Yellow / Maroon band debate, while I whish to stay as much out of it as possible - Keeping it as a thick band above the window line I can understand and like, I just find the big block of colour a little odd when it stretches just under the window - A bit like a different coloured Lego brick has been placed there on a lego built train. But anything like this has to be better than both Stagecoach's rather odd Dot set up and Southern's stickers on the doors effort.

That lego brick analogy is quite correct, and it oddly makes it seem more like part of the cab! Of course why you'd put first class next to the cab, which will be beeping every 30s, is beyond me. I'd probably have gone with a colour other than yellow for first class, perhaps a light blue, but overall it looks quite nice I think.

 

[Bletchleyite]

That lego brick analogy is quite correct, and it oddly makes it seem more like part of the cab! Of course why you'd put first class next to the cab, which will be beeping every 30s, is beyond me. I'd probably have gone with a colour other than yellow for first class, perhaps a light blue, but overall it looks quite nice I think.

Yellow is the standard, so I would say use yellow unless there is a VERY good reason not to. (It looking a bit crap isn't a "very good reason").

 

[ScotGG]

I do agree, they are horrible dirty trains these days and not very nice to travel on.

I would like to see most of them handed over to TfL with some kept and refurbished with carpets, 2x2 seating and tables and used as support for longer distance journeys. Could they be regeared for 90mph running too? Do they differ from 365s that much?

With 2x2 seating they can still do a great job for suburban journeys with increased capacity and allowing 12 car running. I think all would need to be handed over to have uniform 12 car running on metro routes.

They are pretty nasty inside now. That's what happens with age, little cleaning, and many iffy characters can travel for free which increases vandalism (plus there's often about 5 people with feats on seats in every carriage) and when there's no on board staff and few at most stations. No chance of that changing anytime soon sadly. TFL taking over would have made it a half civilised environment unlike the mobile slum it often now appears.

I think it was a shocker not to have a deep refurb in the last franchise period up to 2014 - when the almost invisible clean was done they were already over 20 years old and clearly needed more.

 

[Bletchleyite]

What they probably need, if things are that bad, are Merseyrail style "byelaw squads" enforcing all the Byelaws strictly with no second chances.

 

[ScotGG]

Yep, but nothing seems to happen in that part of the world - ignored by most authorities it seems. TfL, DfT, SE, councils, police etc all seem to see it as a part of the world not bothering with and neglect is visible across much of the wider area, which the rail line embodies. I guess the people there don't kick up enough fuss.

 

[Islineclear3_1]

Yellow is the standard, so I would say use yellow unless there is a VERY good reason not to. (It looking a bit crap isn't a "very good reason").

Yellow stands out very nicely against the blue - why use any other colour (standards aside....)

 

[Class377/5]

I think you may be overreacting just a tad.

Not really, it's disgusting behaviour for sometime to state those less fortunate should suffer because of a selfish desire to have liveries that look good at the expense of others. And I'm not the only one.

 

[theageofthetra]

Does anyone know why first class historically has a yellow band? I have seen it in a number of other countries too.

 

[AM9]

Does anyone know why first class historically has a yellow band? I have seen it in a number of other countries too.

Would it be an approximation of gold?

 

[Cletus]

https://www.southeasternrailway.co....f-southeasterns-trains-start-mid-life-refresh

One third of Southeastern’s entire train fleet is undergoing a major midlife refresh to make its carriages lighter, brighter and more comfortable for passengers.

Work has started on 112 of the company’s Class 375 trains, which run on Southeastern’s routes between coastal Kent and East Sussex and central London stations.

It will include a complete re-spray outside and a repaint internally. New carpets and lino will be laid, replacement windows put in place where needed, and all seats will be removed from carriages and given a deep dry-clean and new seat bases.

This week the first of the trains to undergo this major refit will start service again - after five weeks of work at the Bombardier plant in Derby.
Passengers will notice the train has received a new exterior livery of deep blue and light blue doors, replacing the usual white cab and yellow doors they are used to seeing.

The job of refreshing so many trains is no small task and it will take three and a half years to complete all 112 of Southeastern’s 375 Class trains. This equates to nearly one third of the rail firm’s entire fleet of 367 trains.
Each Class 375 – which has either three or four car units - takes around three weeks to refit at the Derby plant. The refresh work, which starts as the trains are 15 years old and half way through their 30 year life expectancy, involves around 3,500 hours per train using a team of 35 skilled fitters and technicians.

In total, it will take 20,500 litres of paint to complete the job of painting all 112 trains (9,600 litres internally and 10,900 litres externally).
And 16,400 sq metres of carpet will be used – enough to re-carpet around 170 average-sized three-bedroom family homes.

In addition, 6,400 sq metres of lino will be put in and more than 26,000 seats on all of the trains will be taken out of their carriages for refurbishment. Toilets will also be refurbished, new table tops put in place and grab poles and table legs will be re-powdercoated.

 

[Blindtraveler]

My goodness, hard to believe the oldest ones are 15 years old!

 

[user15681]

375301 worked 5Z51 on Wednesday night, Ramsgate-Tonbridge-Ramsgate test run.

First passenger service was this morning on 2W18 06:46 Minster to Charing Cross, pretty full and getting a few looks from passengers.

 

[sprinterguy]

My goodness, hard to believe the oldest ones are 15 years old!

Makes you feel old, doesn't it?

 

[Blindtraveler]

Ur, yes! Think they entered traffic at round the same time as Scotrails first batch of 170s and I recall doing my first 175 at the time and thinking how much nicer they were in comparrison, a viewpoint that for me hasnt changed!

 

[Deepgreen]

Would it be an approximation of gold?

Possibly, although I suspect it's because most UK and continental (where the coloured stripes standards originated) rail liveries in the early to mid-20th century were quite dark, so a bright colour would show up best, and it's long been known that the human eye is most sensitive to the colour yellow. The bright red catering denotion has also been a standard for ages, and that stands out quite well against dark body colours.

 

[47831]

I am no electrostar or a unit fan to be honest. I do however think that the livery is quite smart on that. Fair play to Southeastern.

 

[hulabaloo]

Had a slightly drunken chat with a Southeastern conductor yesterday about the changes and he also said how grim the Networkers are these days and could all do with a refurbishment, as well as himself

 

[mister-sparky]

Any ideas how long it'll be till most of them are done?