South West Trains 4 car diagrams

[GhostManDN91]

Hi I had a topic I was curious about if anyone can shed any light on? I was wondering if South West Trains had any diagrams in passenger service which was only 4 carriages long? Also if anyone knows which trains they would have used for those diagrams?

 

[stadler]

Hi I had a topic I was curious about if anyone can shed any light on? I was wondering if South West Trains had any diagrams in passenger service which was only 4 carriages long? Also if anyone knows which trains they would have used for those diagrams?

Yes there was plenty. All of the Portsmouth to Southampton services were always booked as four coaches. Also the Guildford to Ascot services were always booked as four coaches. The services around London normally had more but i am sure there must have been other four coach services too. You did often see four coach workings on the mainline routes but i am not sure if that was just a result of short formations.

 

[GW43125]

Ascot-Guildford was always single 450s or 458s, later becoming 4 car 456s.

There were a number of single 455s on the main stoppers (eg Woking) on Saturdays.

Pretty sure there were also Weybridge via Hounslows which were 4 cars.

A practice that continues to this day, Basingstoke & Alton split at Woking on Sundays, with the Alton portion being a 4 car 450.

 

[markle]

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[StephenHunter]

Hi I had a topic I was curious about if anyone can shed any light on? I was wondering if South West Trains had any diagrams in passenger service which was only 4 carriages long? Also if anyone knows which trains they would have used for those diagrams?

Didn't they still have CEPs and CIGs at the start?

 

[JonathanH]

I was wondering if South West Trains had any diagrams in passenger service which was only 4 carriages long?

Waterloo to Reading was all 4-455 on Saturdays for a while around the turn of the century.

 

[class444 fan]

Ascot-Guildford was always single 450s or 458s, later becoming 4 car 456s.

There were a number of single 455s on the main stoppers (eg Woking) on Saturdays.

Pretty sure there were also Weybridge via Hounslows which were 4 cars.

A practice that continues to this day, Basingstoke & Alton split at Woking on Sundays, with the Alton portion being a 4 car 450.

did a class 444 ever opreate thesse services?

 

[Siemens Staines]

did a class 444 ever opreate thesse services?

444s did work the odd Hounslow service during the day in the past, and still do on the weekdays 2322 Waterloo - Woking via Hounslow

 

[class444 fan]

444s did work the odd Hounslow service during the day in the past, and still do on the weekdays 2322 Waterloo - Woking via Hounslow

have they opreated to portsmouth to southampton services or is this always a class 450

 

[swt_passenger]

have they opreated to portsmouth to southampton services or is this always a class 450

There was a period where a single 444 ran in service from Southampton to Portsmouth Harbour in the morning peak, but it was only one way. Some sort of positioning move used for passenger service.

Also, to add to earlier replies the Lymington shuttle is a single 450, was previously a 158 on weekdays but 450 at weekends, and previous to that 3-Cigs but 450s stood in on occasions when they were both unavailable.

 

[class444 fan]

There was a period where a single 444 ran in service from Southampton to Portsmouth Harbour in the morning peak, but it was only one way. Some sort of positioning move used for passenger service.

Also, to add to earlier replies the Lymington shuttle is a single 450, was previously a 158 on weekdays but 450 at weekends, and previous to that 3-Cigs but 450s stood in on occasions when they were both unavailable.

thanks

 

[brad465]

There are 4-car 450s on the stoppers between Bournemouth and Southampton/Winchester during the week.

 

[ls2270]

Before the big timetable change in 2004, Class 455 worked services generally only ran as 8 cars during Monday to Friday peak hours. After the morning peak, most 8 cars during formations either split at Waterloo to form two 4 car passenger services or remained as an 8 car and ran to Clapham Yard or Wimbledon Depot. From around 1400 this procedure was then carried out in reverse ready for the evening peak, before the splitting started again from around 1900. However it was then decided that the wear and tear on the units plus the additional drivers required for this practice outweighed any mileage saved on the units and running 8 cars all day became the norm instead.

 

[43096]

Didn't they still have CEPs and CIGs at the start?

Primarily CIGs and VEPs for mainline work at the start of privatisation; think the CEPs were a later addition to add capacity.

At the start of the operation there were short Reading-Ascot workings that were diagrammed for single VEPs. These were later joined up with the Staines-Waterloo via Hounslow service to give Reading 4tph to Waterloo (2 via Richmond, 2 via Hounslow).